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Post by flippyff on Jan 30, 2018 22:46:55 GMT
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Post by fish7373 on Feb 2, 2018 15:18:40 GMT
Hi they got one that fits on a flat wagon laser Measurement System unless its not working or not the same NO AIT Still Dead in the water.
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Post by br7mt on Feb 2, 2018 19:56:43 GMT
That system on the GP Wagon is for 3D scanning the infrastructure, similar function to the scanner that was meant to be fitted on the AIT in front of the M door on 3313.
There are various permutations proposed using the MPUs developed for the cancelled Tunnel Cleaning Train, possibly combined with car 4313 from the AIT, but there is no definitive answer yet. It will of course also depend on the outcome of the technology review mentioned above. A standalone vehicle for instance would probably be marshalled between Battery Locos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 17:06:26 GMT
That system on the GP Wagon is for 3D scanning the infrastructure, similar function to the scanner that was meant to be fitted on the AIT in front of the M door on 3313. There are various permutations proposed using the MPUs developed for the cancelled Tunnel Cleaning Train, possibly combined with car 4313 from the AIT, but there is no definitive answer yet. It will of course also depend on the outcome of the technology review mentioned above. A standalone vehicle for instance would probably be marshalled between Battery Locos. Regards, Dan Thats interesting. At one point, they MPU was being worked on with the idea of use for hauling central line cars to Acton Works but that plan was scrapped. I thought they were thinking of sending it to Eastleigh for storage.
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Post by alpinejohn on Feb 8, 2018 18:19:06 GMT
Interesting you mention Eastleigh..
So if the rumours are true and the AIT project is pretty much dead then that leaves at least one (admittedly randomly modified) 6 car set of Mk1 1972 stock clogging up a siding presumably until like the other Mk1s they get heavily vandalised and eventually expensively craned away for scrap.
So why not bite the bullet and offer the whole unit (along with any residual Mk1 72 bits) to the Island Line operator at scrap value cost.
The Island Line (ex LUL stock) is virtually falling apart (sea air not helping much) and passenger numbers are so low they are usually only operated as two car sets. I am guessing that as photos show AIT out on the tracks not too many years back, then at least the driving end motor cars are still serviceable and more importantly still set up for manual driving rather than TBTC systems. So even if someone has enthusiastically painted over some of the windows/doorways and carried out other modifications to bolt on extra lights etc - I doubt they are irreversible. Indeed by raiding parts from a few of the trailer cars it should be possible to round up enough seats, doors and any other displaced kit, so they could equip just the driving two end units and effectively cobble together at least one vaguely modern 2 car unit which presumably the folks at Eastleigh would then be able to convert to third rail operations.
I don't know if there are any other Mk1s still languishing in sidings if so perhaps they too could be donated to Island Line if only to free up valuable siding space on LUL depots. Sadly it seems the idea of permanent Bustitution is almost inevitable without some source of cheap and more reliable rolling stock being found and found soon.
I accept LUL will be duty bound to try and get VFM but as the AIT is now effectively a negative value asset clogging up siding space in London - why sell it off to Booths if the Island line could match that scrap price?
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Post by metman on Feb 8, 2018 18:41:53 GMT
Without moving too far off topic I doubt the 72ts will go to the island as they don’t have side doors. I don’t think there is much spare 67/72 around anymore.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 8, 2018 19:01:48 GMT
The Island Line turned down the chance to get the 67s when they were withdrawn from the Victoria Line. The reason that keeps getting cited is that they were deemed unsuitable due to the lack of cab doors, although whether that's true or just been repeated often enough it seems true I don't know. If they weren't interested in (some of) a fleet of trains in passenger condition that just required a relatively simple modification for manual driving I don't see why they would be interested in a one-off, essentially identical, train in heavily modified condition.
The LU trains they most want are the 73s, although the replacement for them is getting later and later so something may have to be done before then. If money can be found new, bespoke stock would go down much better (politically) than cast-offs. I understand that SWR (the train operating company these days) have to submit a costed plan to the DfT at some point in May.
On another forum every so often someone else has the bright idea that they could use the soon to be retired DLR stock. To try and forestall that here, the idea is a complete non-starter. DLR trains are too long, too tall and too square to fit through Ryde Tunnel and under at least one bridge further south. Also, the floor is significantly higher than the current stock (over 30cm iirc) and they would need extensive modification to add drivers cabs at both ends which most likely wouldn't have doors...
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Post by br7mt on Feb 8, 2018 20:37:54 GMT
Sending the AIT DM cars to the Isle of Wight would involve a lot of modifications as the compressors and MA sets (or even a static converter) would need to be put into the saloon as there is no space on the underframe. Plus the modern interlocking for the 630V system takes up a whole double doorway on each car. It would also be sensible to apply the Bakerloo structural modifications to extend the life of the vehicles. Plus you'd have to rip the kitchen out of 3313...
MPUs are due to be moved to Neasden under their own power for storage.
There are no vehicles left in store at Eastleigh, so that leaves the 67TS unit in London Road, another with ERU and the DM car at Walthamstow. Plus of course the four cars in the MPUs and the two in the AIT, although all six are heavily modified.
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Post by spsmiler on Feb 22, 2018 0:11:28 GMT
The LU trains they most want are the 73s, although the replacement for them is getting later and later so something may have to be done before then. If money can be found new, bespoke stock would go down much better (politically) than cast-offs. I understand that SWR (the train operating company these days) have to submit a costed plan to the DfT at some point in May. The first Underground line that has sometimes been mooted as planned to get the next generation of tube trains is the Waterloo and City, with (at the same time) this line also being converted to driverless operation. Sending new trains to here will release the Class 482 fleet (also known as 1992 tube stock). I wonder if the IOW would be happy with these trains? After all, they've had a relatively easy life. Since there would likely be too many for the IOW to take them all perhaps the selection process would need to include testing them for being water tight, this being something that is unlikely to be a major concern in London where they only operate below ground. Simon
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 22, 2018 7:49:17 GMT
perhaps the selection process would need to include testing them for being water tight, this being something that is unlikely to be a major concern in London where they only operate below ground. The "Drain" used to be notoriously leaky.
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Post by humbug on Feb 22, 2018 8:37:03 GMT
At the moment, the drain is the last to get new trains.
Daft question, but do they have wipers fitted? It probably rains more on the Island :-)
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 22, 2018 20:52:33 GMT
At the moment, the drain is the last to get new trains. Daft question, but do they have wipers fitted? It probably rains more on the Island :-) Yes they do - fitted as standard to all 1992 stock as built and retained on refurbishment. They can be seen in photographs of the trains. Their class 487 predecessors did not have wipers, making their occasional forays onto the main line (via the famous hoist) subject to the weather!
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