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Post by a60 on Dec 20, 2017 22:57:55 GMT
Whereas I respect your learned view from inside the organisation, Anna, I must respectfully disagree with the thrust of your post.  Just because LUL/TfL can't afford it does not mean to say that someone else could not. As for 'make money', I don't think anyone is under the impression that heritage is profitable as a strictly business proposition, rather, that it is less unprofitable to have something that can have a means of its own income attached to it through tours or the like, rather than having to rely on a cut of admission fees from admission to a storage place. If there was ever any serious traction within LUL to preserve a set, or perhaps more important, seek external partners or owners for such in the name of preservation it would be great to know, and change the otherwise pessimistic tone I took. However, surely you must appreciate that the feeling among many people connected with the tube, both inside and out, was that it was internal apathy that ultimately did in any prospect of preservation. Please, tell me I am wrong. It would be good to know that LUL did as much as possible to find a group to look after it when they realised they could not afford it themselves? I just don't see it though. The COP stock, the Q stock, the 59ts (to name some) were all offered to private buyers. Was the A stock, or the C stock, ever offered to any group/individual other than a scrappage firm? Has any serious offer to preserve an A stock been turned down? I remember some preservationists tried to approach CF Booths to get a 67TS DM way back in 2010 or thereabouts, and they were turned down flat. The official explanation being that LU forbade them to sell on any full carriages - again, people referred to the asbestos, i.e. avoiding litigation. Cravens was probably the most infamous of all the rolling stock manufacturers for using copious amounts of asbestos, so there's no doubt in my mind there's still some of it on them. LU wouldn't want to run the risk of the outside chance of someone falling ill from preserving an A60. |
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Post by trc666 on Dec 21, 2017 13:49:53 GMT
In regard to the 67s and A60s, wasn't any of the asbestos removed when they were sent away for refurbishment?
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Post by DistrictSOM on Dec 21, 2017 17:01:51 GMT
There is no legal requirement to remove asbestos but if a part is being replaced which originally contained asbestos then a alternative material needs to be found as asbestos can not be put back legally.
I can’t speak from a train point of view but from a signalling perspective there is still a lot of asbestos on the system.
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Post by motorman on Dec 21, 2017 22:40:54 GMT
If Asbestos issues could be clarified what would the approx cost be to purchase a 4-car A60?
If that hurdle could be overcome the next question is where it could be kept.
I ask the question as this is now the final chance to save what i think is one of the best trains to ever serve the London Underground. Future operation will not be easy but perhaps something could be set up on the lines of the Cravens 60 Stock unit. In the years to come the complete demise (apart from 5034) will i think be regretted.
With talk of Q Stock possibly being able to run again it should not be an impossibity to achieve this.
Could a Trust or similar group be set up with this aim?
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 21, 2017 22:46:21 GMT
The final chance has passed; as mentioned, all remaining cars of A stock have been sold and will be moving on soon.
If there was any serious chance of a full set being preserved the effort needed to be put in well over five years ago.
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Post by a60 on Dec 21, 2017 23:43:03 GMT
Unless you could try to jump the gun and contact Booth's, but given Dean Sullivan's attempts at getting hold of ex-tube stock in the old "A Stock preservation" thread, it would appear there's some clause in the LU contracts which forbids sale to third parties. So unless you can try to to liaise between LU and Booth's and commit to it, you may find luck has disappeared. No less, if you do try, I wish you the very best of luck.
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 22, 2017 21:45:23 GMT
If asbestos really is the issue then alas I'll be surprised if it will be possible to save these. Yes its a shame but so was the loss of the F stock in the 1970's and the Pullmans and Southend Corridor Express trains in 1939. At least some of the GWR City stock survived(now at the Didcot Railway Centre), albeit not the multi-articulated vehicles.
This regret could also extend the trains which served the Hammersmith and City route when it was first electrified - these were labelled with Metropolitan Railway on one side and Great Western Railway on the other side (I don't remember the fleet names).
On the same theme, it would be great if the only surviving R stock car could be set up as an exhibit that has working lights (so that people can hear the whine from the electrics) and with one pair of working doors - again for nostalgic ear candy!
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Post by Chris W on Jan 20, 2018 23:17:35 GMT
Ladies and Gents As part of my Rail Express writings, I was lucky enough to visit the A Stock in its final week of scheduled operation in mid-December. Sadly my visit for what would have been it's last day of use was cancelled, so instead my visit to Neasden Depot became an inspection of the unit and Sandite Car, as well as a short shunt on the A Stock RAT, along a road in the depot sidings. As my article has just been published [February 2018 edition], I've uploaded my images captured during my visit to Flickr, which can be found HEREEnjoy  |
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Post by luacton on Jan 21, 2018 18:54:35 GMT
Ladies and Gents As part of my Rail Express writings, I was lucky enough to visit the A Stock in its final week of scheduled operation in mid-December. Sadly my visit for what would have been it's last day of use was cancelled, so instead my visit to Neasden Depot became an inspection of the unit and Sandite Car, as well as a short shunt on the A Stock RAT, along a road in the depot sidings. As my article has just been published [February 2018 edition], I've uploaded my images captured during my visit to Flickr, which can be found HEREEnjoy Great set of photos. Nice to see A vs D. |
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Post by malcolmffc on Feb 13, 2018 7:36:02 GMT
So has the RAT been scrapped now?
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Post by Chris W on Feb 13, 2018 7:53:59 GMT
I understand that the final move for both units is still to be undertaken, with all 9 surviving cars still at Neasden.
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 13, 2018 8:24:57 GMT
Correct.
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Post by allan60 on Feb 13, 2018 9:27:14 GMT
I understand that the final move for both units is still to be undertaken, with all 9 surviving cars still at Neasden. Hopefully they stay at Neasden where they belong! |
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 13, 2018 15:59:03 GMT
They won't, the space is needed for other vehicles.
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Post by londoner on Feb 14, 2018 12:23:40 GMT
I also saw the RAT just outside Neasden depot an hour ago. Will probably be the last time I see it.
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Post by Chris W on Feb 14, 2018 15:42:32 GMT
Probably just being shunted around, so it's on the correct road out the back |
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Post by luacton on Feb 14, 2018 17:45:58 GMT
Heard a rumour they may be donated to the military for training use.
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Post by Tom on Feb 14, 2018 20:43:31 GMT
Heard a rumour they may be donated to the military for training use. I've heard that too. |
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Post by Ben on Feb 14, 2018 20:54:49 GMT
So for all those talking about asbestos contamination these past years, a hole has been left in that argument the size of... well, whatever hole the military blows in the side of the carriages!
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Post by North End on Feb 15, 2018 6:55:14 GMT
Heard a rumour they may be donated to the military for training use. Wouldn’t be the first time Underground trains have been used for that purpose. At least one of the pre-production 09 stock trains ended up at RAF Spadeadam in Cumbria. Parts of the Potters Bar 365 and Grayrigg 390 also had the same fate. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 15, 2018 9:46:05 GMT
There are (or were) some 1983 stock cars at an HSE site at Harpur Hill in Derbyshire
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 15, 2018 13:06:19 GMT
Heard a rumour they may be donated to the military for training use. Wouldn’t be the first time Underground trains have been used for that purpose. At least one of the pre-production 09 stock trains ended up at RAF Spadeadam in Cumbria. Parts of the Potters Bar 365 and Grayrigg 390 also had the same fate. The only rail vehicles owned by Virgin Rail Group are the London-end driving car and a standard class car from the Greyrigg set. They are parked behind the 'Talent Academy' in Crewe and used for a variety of training roles, including mock evacuation. However, we drift..... |
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Post by londoner on Mar 15, 2018 14:04:44 GMT
I'm sure its still visible from onboard a Southbound Met train from Wembley to Neasden. Its at the far end of the depot.
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 15, 2018 15:59:34 GMT
I'm sure its still visible from onboard a Southbound Met train from Wembley to Neasden. Its at the far end of the depot. Correct. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 27, 2018 14:41:08 GMT
5110-6110-6036-6111-5111 now moved from Neasden to Ealing Common, leaving 5234/5235 at Neasden.
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 27, 2018 14:45:55 GMT
You beat me to it! Ran as T746, and was turned via Amersham and Watford. Full route Neasden-Amersham-Watford-Harrow-Ruislip siding-Ealing Common depot.
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Post by metman on Mar 27, 2018 15:58:59 GMT
5234 is going Thursday 😭perhaps although this may be dependant on 5110 et al shifting first.
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Post by allan60 on Mar 27, 2018 20:58:36 GMT
5234 is going Thursday 😭perhaps although this may be dependant on 5110 et al shifting first. will 5234-5235 also run as T746? |
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 28, 2018 1:33:59 GMT
Maybe, maybe not. Members are reminded of rule 7.1: Unusual Train Movements:7.1 (Unusual Train Movements) This forum does not actively encourage the posting of the timings for unusual train movements for the following reasons: - (7.1a) The information is usually available only within documents marked 'for internal use only'
- (7.1b) The timings can never be guaranteed - in fact these sort of movements often don't happen at the times published, if at all
- (7.1c) Making the details of such movements public could cause issues with unplanned overcrowding at stations or other locations
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Post by philthetube on Mar 28, 2018 4:00:24 GMT
You beat me to it! Ran as T746, and was turned via Amersham and Watford. Full route Neasden-Amersham-Watford-Harrow-Ruislip siding-Ealing Common depot. Why Amersham and Watford? Even if it had to be turned no need to send it past Ricky. |
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Just because LUL/TfL can't afford it does not mean to say that someone else could not. As for 'make money', I don't think anyone is under the impression that heritage is profitable as a strictly business proposition, rather, that it is less unprofitable to have something that can have a means of its own income attached to it through tours or the like, rather than having to rely on a cut of admission fees from admission to a storage place.
