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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 5, 2017 11:17:05 GMT
A start has been made to alter the door closure chimes from 1.8sec to 3sec, as a trial to test the impact of Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations RVAR 2010. Once all trains have been modified a 6-month trial will begin.
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Post by class411 on Aug 5, 2017 12:12:31 GMT
Does this mean the chimes will last for 3 sec or start 3 sec before door closure?
If the later, it's a fine balancing act.
Start too soon and people will get used to that, ignore them and continue to board. Start too late and they will close on people boarding.
I'm sure I've boarded a train somewhere where there is a low frequency chime a few seconds before closing and a higher frequency immediately before the doors close. This had the advantage that people could walk along the length of the train and feel safe that they would be able to get to a door before they closed.
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 5, 2017 12:50:42 GMT
Does this mean the chimes will last for 3 sec or start 3 sec before door closure? Both. Not sure how else it would work...?
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Post by class411 on Aug 5, 2017 13:18:04 GMT
Does this mean the chimes will last for 3 sec or start 3 sec before door closure? Both. Not sure how else it would work...? Yes, of course. I was already thinking about the dual frequency chimes, but if you are only having one frequency, obviously you would sound then until the doors closed. Duh.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Aug 5, 2017 22:43:46 GMT
Somewhat related, but I've noticed that "Please stand clear of the closing doors" is no longer played before the doors close.
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 6, 2017 15:17:48 GMT
Depends on time of day and a few other factors. Every train I've used in the last few days - outside of the peak - has still announced 'Please stand clear of the closing doors'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 18:16:31 GMT
One good idea used on trains overseas, It is a lighting strip of LED's adjacent every doorway, which remains dark when the train is in motion, and turns Green once the doors begin to open. The strips turn to red just before the doors begin to close, and the door close buzzers begin to sound a few seconds after the strips turn red. When the doors are securely shut, the strips go dark again, and the train moves off.
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Post by londoner on Aug 6, 2017 18:28:16 GMT
I really like these initiatives to make the trains more accessible. Whilst we still have a very long way to go, long may it continue. All these small things can really make a difference for some people.
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Post by rsdworker on Aug 7, 2017 3:49:53 GMT
One good idea used on trains overseas, It is a lighting strip of LED's adjacent every doorway, which remains dark when the train is in motion, and turns Green once the doors begin to open. The strips turn to red just before the doors begin to close, and the door close buzzers begin to sound a few seconds after the strips turn red. When the doors are securely shut, the strips go dark again, and the train moves off. croydon trams has one that has LED lights above doors however the asterdam metro newer trains has led strips on sides of doorway frame red will flash when doors are closing
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Post by class411 on Aug 7, 2017 8:09:58 GMT
One good idea used on trains overseas, It is a lighting strip of LED's adjacent every doorway, which remains dark when the train is in motion, and turns Green once the doors begin to open. The strips turn to red just before the doors begin to close, and the door close buzzers begin to sound a few seconds after the strips turn red. When the doors are securely shut, the strips go dark again, and the train moves off. croydon trams has one that has LED lights above doors however the asterdam metro newer trains has led strips on sides of doorway frame red will flash when doors are closing Yes, I've used these and they work really well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 8:23:05 GMT
One good idea used on trains overseas, It is a lighting strip of LED's adjacent every doorway, which remains dark when the train is in motion, and turns Green once the doors begin to open. The strips turn to red just before the doors begin to close, and the door close buzzers begin to sound a few seconds after the strips turn red. When the doors are securely shut, the strips go dark again, and the train moves off. I was in China last week and some of their subway trains also use that strip of LEDs to indicate which side the doors will open on just before arriving at the station
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Post by class411 on Aug 7, 2017 9:12:09 GMT
One good idea used on trains overseas, It is a lighting strip of LED's adjacent every doorway, which remains dark when the train is in motion, and turns Green once the doors begin to open. The strips turn to red just before the doors begin to close, and the door close buzzers begin to sound a few seconds after the strips turn red. When the doors are securely shut, the strips go dark again, and the train moves off. I was in China last week and some of their subway trains also use that strip of LEDs to indicate which side the doors will open on just before arriving at the station The Amsterdam ones do that as well. They have three colours, red, green and white. IIRC: White: Approaching station, this door will open. Green: egress/ingress Red: Door about to/is closing. It really is a very passenger friendly system. Much better than LU's occasional "The doors will open an the x hand side" (in English only, of course).
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Post by firestorm on Aug 8, 2017 15:23:04 GMT
Found a video uploaded to the tfl yammer site showing the differences, I didn't take the video and full credits to the original uploader:
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 8, 2017 18:34:24 GMT
I've always thought that there wasn't much warning on the 09ts, but I guess for me this fits the feel of the line. Swift and efficient. It's a case of, "I'm ready let's go, you snooze you lose, you'll see the headlights of the next train before you see the tail lights of this one". Whereas other lines it's more "Get a move on it's time to go, I can't wait forever for you, hurry up. You sorted? Good, let's go".
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Post by blackhorsesteve on Aug 9, 2017 15:08:39 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 9, 2017 15:31:18 GMT
So it would appear. Well remembered!
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Post by superteacher on Mar 31, 2018 19:47:07 GMT
It would appear that the chime length has been reduced again.
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