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Post by fish7373 on Aug 1, 2017 22:09:54 GMT
Piccadilly line RAT train my new project two units to do one for the west end of line and one for the east end of line a bolt on kit more photos to come FISH7373 81C NFP
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Post by domh245 on Aug 1, 2017 23:11:58 GMT
Interesting - was there any expectation of this happening? snoggle? I guess this might have been done in response to the wheelflat issue earlier this year. Technically, I guess that there are two 3 car units undergoing conversion, although it is interesting to note that there are cab controls being fitted rather than the relevant stuff being in the car with the sandite dispensers, which is how it was done on the A stock RAT IIRC. I assume that the sandite dispensers are being fitted in the trailer car in each unit. And I suppose the next question then is, what (if any other) lines are next - if it is just a bolt-on kit, it might be worth looking which suffer from slippy conditions
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Post by snoggle on Aug 2, 2017 8:04:21 GMT
Interesting - was there any expectation of this happening? snoggle? I guess this might have been done in response to the wheelflat issue earlier this year. Technically, I guess that there are two 3 car units undergoing conversion, although it is interesting to note that there are cab controls being fitted rather than the relevant stuff being in the car with the sandite dispensers, which is how it was done on the A stock RAT IIRC. I assume that the sandite dispensers are being fitted in the trailer car in each unit. And I suppose the next question then is, what (if any other) lines are next - if it is just a bolt-on kit, it might be worth looking which suffer from slippy conditions I haven't seen anything particular other than here. I'm sure I read here that there was the intention to create adhesion trains for the Picc. Can't recall any TfL papers on it but then there has been a big reduction in what is released for public awareness. My only surprise is that they can release the stock for the conversion work as the Picc train declaration has always been tight relative to fleet size. However, I guess having RATs running and a slightly less frequent service is preferable to half the fleet sat in depot with wheel flats.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Aug 2, 2017 11:05:21 GMT
Will the units be able to run in regular passenger service?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 2, 2017 11:15:46 GMT
To release the train (2x 3-car double-ended) for conversion the following trains are now cancelled until 11 August: mornings: T330 (FX) T325 (FO) 07.23 Cockfosters depot- 08.41 Northfields depot evenings: T331 (FX) T336 (FO) 18.24 Northfields depot- 19.41 Cockfosters.
As from 14 August the following will be cancelled, until 6 October: mornings: T321 (FX) T316 (FO) 06.34 Cockfosters depot- 10.14 Cockfosters depot; T330 (FX) T325 (FO) 07.23 Cockfosters Depot- 08.41 Northfields depot. evenings: T234 (FX) T231 (FO) 16.54 Cockfosters depot- Cockfosters; T331 (FX) Train 326 (FO) 18.24 Northfields depot- 19.41 Cockfosters.
A special leaf-fall timetable will be introduced early-October until mid-December, the first time (we believe) the Piccadilly has has such a timetable.
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Post by Ben on Aug 2, 2017 15:28:04 GMT
Once upon a time there was a dedicated fleet of sleet locos that served all the lines. Its interesting that a similar need for adhesion trains now exists across a few lines but that its satisfied by individual stocks from each. Pity the need was identified just too late to take advantage of the 67 stock becoming spare en-mass.
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Post by br7mt on Aug 2, 2017 18:51:19 GMT
I understand the last 67TS vehicles stored at Eastleigh have now been scrapped in the last few weeks, so that option no longer exists.
In official circles these temporary conversions are known as Piccadilly Rail Adhesion Trains (P-RATS). I kid not...
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Post by Ben on Aug 2, 2017 19:05:30 GMT
Surprised they lasted in store that long. Perhaps a similar co-incidence of opportunities will present itself around the time the 72ts is withdrawn, assuming they are in any serviceable condition.
What modifications have occurred inside the passenger saloons of the PRATs? (giggle)
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Post by fish7373 on Aug 2, 2017 19:40:15 GMT
Interesting - was there any expectation of this happening? snoggle ? I guess this might have been done in response to the wheelflat issue earlier this year. Technically, I guess that there are two 3 car units undergoing conversion, although it is interesting to note that there are cab controls being fitted rather than the relevant stuff being in the car with the sandite dispensers, which is how it was done on the A stock RAT IIRC. I assume that the sandite dispensers are being fitted in the trailer car in each unit. And I suppose the next question then is, what (if any other) lines are next - if it is just a bolt-on kit, it might be worth looking which suffer from slippy conditions I haven't seen anything particular other than here. I'm sure I read here that there was the intention to create adhesion trains for the Picc. Can't recall any TfL papers on it but then there has been a big reduction in what is released for public awareness. My only surprise is that they can release the stock for the conversion work as the Picc train declaration has always been tight relative to fleet size. However, I guess having RATs running and a slightly less frequent service is preferable to half the fleet sat in depot with wheel flats. Today Today fitted the sand hoppers to the trailer car and not for passenger service the train is a double ender and the time table will change to run the two RAT trains this is a tube lines train not a TFL one. FISH7373 NFP 81C
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 20:21:24 GMT
Its nice to see common parts being used. I know all other Sandite trains are maintained by one team from TMU, will this be the same or will it be sorted by the depots?
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Post by fish7373 on Aug 2, 2017 20:30:11 GMT
Its nice to see common parts being used. I know all other Sandite trains are maintained by one team from TMU, will this be the same or will it be sorted by the depots? No not TMU they are not fitting it or looking after it I be leave it will be me to look after the train.
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Post by DWS on Aug 2, 2017 20:41:31 GMT
Its nice to see common parts being used. I know all other Sandite trains are maintained by one team from TMU, will this be the same or will it be sorted by the depots? No not TMU they are not fitting it or looking after it I be leave it will be me to look after the train. Thanks for the photos fish 7373, amazed that it has taken such a short time to do the conversion . Will the kit be removed after the leaf fall season ends ?
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Post by fish7373 on Aug 2, 2017 21:09:29 GMT
No not TMU they are not fitting it or looking after it I be leave it will be me to look after the train. Thanks for the photos fish 7373, amazed that it has taken such a short time to do the conversion . Will the kit be removed after the leaf fall season ends ? When leaf fall season ends kit will removed and put in storage for next time and train returned to passenger service.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 2, 2017 21:17:55 GMT
I was just about to ask about the affect on passenger services but having read the message above this message (which was written just a few minutes ago) I already have my answer !
However I am surprised that a D stock RAT cannot cover the western portion as the vast majority of it was originally built for full size trains.
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Post by DWS on Aug 2, 2017 21:37:38 GMT
I was just about to ask about the affect on passenger services but having read the message above this message (which was written just a few minutes ago) I already have my answer ! However I am surprised that a D stock RAT cannot cover the western portion as the vast majority of it was originally built for full size trains. Simon The D stock rat is for the Metropolitan line only and is a LUL train, plus it can not be in two places at one. Tubelines wanted is own dedicated train and as the Piccadily line uses 1973 stock a decision was made to use its own stock.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 2, 2017 21:41:11 GMT
I believe it is many years since a surface stock train ran west of Northfields, and I think the D stock RATs are fully booked on the Met already.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 3, 2017 10:29:33 GMT
Today fitted the sand hoppers to the trailer car and not for passenger service the train is a double ender and the time table will change to run the two RAT trains this is a tube lines train not a TFL one. FISH7373 NFP 81C Well that's very clever in terms of the modification. A good bit of lateral thinking to have a "covertible" train. As TfL bought out Tube Lines and killed off the PPP and have subsequently killed off the second agreement with Amey I think any ownership distinction is now redundant. Tube Lines might exist in name but it's not the old Infraco. I'm way out of date with LU's internal structure now but I thought all the engineering and project resource had been rationalised and restructured to remove all traces of the old Infracos other than the basic BCV, JNP and SSR groupings? LU has always had some form of line / division / grouped structure for operation and engineering.
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Post by crusty54 on Aug 3, 2017 12:17:42 GMT
Tube Lines is still a separate trading entity. This will continue until contracts lapse and are switched to pan TfL deals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 17:51:29 GMT
Thanks for the photos fish 7373, amazed that it has taken such a short time to do the conversion . Will the kit be removed after the leaf fall season ends ? When leaf fall season ends kit will removed and put in storage for next time and train returned to passenger service. Very clever. How long does it take to put the kit in and out? I imagine due to sandite piping, it will only fit the converted trains. Is this correct?
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 3, 2017 18:24:15 GMT
Today fitted the sand hoppers to the trailer car and not for passenger service the train is a double ender and the time table will change to run the two RAT trains this is a tube lines train not a TFL one. FISH7373 NFP 81C Well that's very clever in terms of the modification. A good bit of lateral thinking to have a "convertible" train. Isn't there another train out there similarly convertible? I seem to remember reading that you could tell if you were in it because there are plates on the floor for the discharge tubes.
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Post by domh245 on Aug 3, 2017 19:14:48 GMT
Well that's very clever in terms of the modification. A good bit of lateral thinking to have a "convertible" train. Isn't there another train out there similarly convertible? I seem to remember reading that you could tell if you were in it because there are plates on the floor for the discharge tubes. Correct the C-RAT (sorry!) on the central line, covering west end duties but no longer used (or at least much) it seems. www.squarewheels.org.uk/rly/stock/1992tubeStock/#sandite
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 3, 2017 19:41:10 GMT
Isn't there another train out there similarly convertible? I seem to remember reading that you could tell if you were in it because there are plates on the floor for the discharge tubes. Correct the C-RAT (sorry!) on the central line, covering west end duties but no longer used (or at least much) it seems. www.squarewheels.org.uk/rly/stock/1992tubeStock/#sanditeNo longer used is correct. Replaced by the 5 car 1962 stock RAT, AKA the 4 car pilot motor with an additional Sandite car added.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 21:16:06 GMT
Today fitted the sand hoppers to the trailer car and not for passenger service the train is a double ender and the time table will change to run the two RAT trains this is a tube lines train not a TFL one. FISH7373 NFP 81C Well that's very clever in terms of the modification. A good bit of lateral thinking to have a "covertible" train. As TfL bought out Tube Lines and killed off the PPP and have subsequently killed off the second agreement with Amey I think any ownership distinction is now redundant. Tube Lines might exist in name but it's not the old Infraco. I'm way out of date with LU's internal structure now but I thought all the engineering and project resource had been rationalised and restructured to remove all traces of the old Infracos other than the basic BCV, JNP and SSR groupings? LU has always had some form of line / division / grouped structure for operation and engineering. Not until 1/1/18 that JNP is no more
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Post by fish7373 on Aug 3, 2017 23:17:56 GMT
The 5 car 1962 stock RAT is Still at Northfields depot.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 4, 2017 11:43:00 GMT
Not until 1/1/18 that JNP is no more Interesting. Thanks.
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Post by br7mt on Aug 4, 2017 11:50:19 GMT
Had a look at the first conversion today - very clever design to allow it to be installed and removed easily, with good attention to little details. It was tested around the West end of Northfields Depot this morning.
The system is expandable in terms of control cable lengths, so if the 3-car unit is found to provide operational challenges it could be extended to a 6-car train of two units (only one of which would have the sandite equipment).
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Post by zcap on Aug 4, 2017 12:50:17 GMT
Not a particularly useful point but im just excited at the prospect of seeing 3 Car '73 Stock running up and down the Pic! This years' leaf fall season should be interesting compared to last years particularly flat fall season...
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Post by rheostar on Aug 16, 2017 8:45:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 15:19:22 GMT
Looking good
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Post by fish7373 on Aug 16, 2017 18:41:48 GMT
All ready put on here in rolling stock ye have little faith then.
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