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Post by class411 on Jul 20, 2017 10:25:56 GMT
I've had a good nosey around and, rather surprisingly, can't find another thread thread like this.
What is your all time favourite stock? And second favourite?
The impression I get from reading many posts here is that it will be A-Stock.
To start:
1st: 38 Stock (tube stock) 2nd: S-Stock (rather surprisingly as generally: "the older the better").
If enough people respond I'll correlate the answers and calculate percentages after a fortnight.
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Post by brigham on Jul 20, 2017 10:56:10 GMT
From personal experience in revenue-earning service, it has to be the 38 tube stock. The sound, the smell, the style.
I'm excluding MET 'steam stock' here; but overall, I don't think you can beat District B-stock.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 20, 2017 11:05:22 GMT
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Post by class411 on Jul 20, 2017 11:40:16 GMT
Yeah, I know, that always happens. I choose a couple of search terms, see nothing and post, and then along comes someone who chooses different search terms a gets a result. Plus, of course, these are over a decade old. And, presumably, locked. And it didn't help that (being as how this was a question about rolling stock), I checked the rolling stock thread. But, look on the bright side. There may be a lot of new members who have joined since those threads who would appreciate the chance to give their views; who knows?
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 20, 2017 11:57:58 GMT
Yeah, I know, that always happens. I choose a couple of search terms, see nothing and post, and then along comes someone who chooses different search terms a gets a result. Plus, of course, these are over a decade old. And, presumably, locked. And it didn't help that (being as how this was a question about rolling stock), I checked the rolling stock thread. But, look on the bright side. There may be a lot of new members who have joined since those threads who would appreciate the chance to give their views; who knows? It's always the way of things. Look for something, give up, someone else goes straight to it! Those threads are from before I joined the forum, I knew at least one of them was there because it included a poll, something which we don't see here now. I did look for them first on the rolling stock board before resorting to the search tool. Rather than faffing around merging old threads, I'll leave them alone but members reading this thread may wish to look back to see what members thought then. It will be interesting to see if anyone has changed their view and also if the general trend has changed.
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Post by brigham on Jul 20, 2017 13:46:21 GMT
So, ...what is your all time favourite stock? And second favourite?
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Post by class411 on Jul 20, 2017 15:17:41 GMT
So, ...what is your all time favourite stock? And second favourite? I was thinking about that as I wrote the post. I thought the line "What's everybody's second favourite", just when you thought it was all over, was sublime.
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Post by grahamhewett on Jul 20, 2017 15:43:27 GMT
brigham - you're right about including smell as well - the 38 stock had that "hot electrical" smell, whereas the District stock (all the Q types, at least) had a characteristic smell of a combination of cheap fags and wet dog - unmistakeable; the A stock just smelt "new" for a few years. Which would be a favourite (apart from the T stock and Dreadnoughts)? Perhaps the F stock which rode rock steady and produced very satisfactory gear noises, as well as being very spacious, as well as being an interesting design.
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Post by class411 on Jul 20, 2017 15:54:41 GMT
brigham - you're right about including smell as well - the 38 stock had that "hot electrical" smell It wasn't just the trains. The smell permeated the underground sections of the line. I loved it, and encountered it again when I was using the older type 'paxolin' (a phenolic paper laminate) printed circuit boards. I noticed the same substance used in some more rugged electrical environments and have always assumed that it was this, heated, that gave parts of The Underground their distinctive smell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 16:08:31 GMT
Paxolin is not to be breathed in, yes it smells nice but the fibres can cause similar damage to your lungs like asbestos
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Post by class411 on Jul 20, 2017 16:26:03 GMT
Paxolin is not to be breathed in, yes it smells nice but the fibres can cause similar damage to your lungs like asbestos I think it is some trace of gas that is given off that produces the distinctive smell. Intuitively it seems to me to have something to do with formaldehyde (definitely not something you want to breath in in quantity), although I have no idea if that's the case. ETA Never mind Google, Wikipedia is my mate. It actually mentions formaldehyde in the lede! It also mentions that toxic vapours can be produced while the material is being worked.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 19:15:08 GMT
Are we including non passenger stock as well? I love the battery locos. They just have a certain character about them. The rumble of the compressors when you are inside the saloon, the sound of the contactors as you hand notch them and the sound of the safety valves popping if the governors are set too high.
Second favourite must be the A stock. The stock I grew up on, the seating, and the smell. Whenever I get a chance to get inside one, they always smell the same.
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Post by arun on Jul 20, 2017 20:05:50 GMT
Personally my favourites have always been the first two cars I ever travelled on: 1- 1925 CL Standard Stock car 3612 2- 1935 Flat-fronted experimental stock car 10010
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 20, 2017 22:56:19 GMT
The 1938 stock on the Bakerloo and R stock on the district from my childhood in the 70's are my favourites. The 1962 stock as well, being the stock I remembered on the central as a kid, and also as an adult as I joined the underground and qualified on the them as a Guard and then a driver. Least favourite? The 1992 stock.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jul 20, 2017 23:02:34 GMT
Well, I think this will turn into a generational thing...!
For me, it's the 67 and C stock - they're the trains of my childhood and I've very happy memories of them. Whenever we had a trip into London we'd jump on the Vic from Seven Sisters and I distinctly remember the funky blue armrests and the bright moquette of the trains after the 1990s refurbishment. Likewise, we'd more often than not end up on the C stock from Liverpool Street - again post refurb - and this would usually be a more exotic outing. I was particularly mesmerised going past the now-gone transmission dishes around the White City area. Sometimes we'd use an A stock, too, although this would be shorter hops from Liverpool Street to King's Cross or Baker Street for a change to a different line. Sometimes there'd be trips further out but they were very rare.
Have to put a vote in for the S stock too - sure, they lack the charm and character of the older stock, but they're very good trains and also the ones that I've worked with most since starting my LU career.
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Post by cso on Jul 20, 2017 23:36:00 GMT
Favourite stock has to be the S-Stock for passenger reasons. Second for me would be the 09 stock.
I've come to the conclusion I'm just a modernist - at least on this topic!
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 21, 2017 0:15:12 GMT
For modern trains, I am going to Copenhagen (see below). For older trains, I bet I would have liked the LNWR electrics from the 1920's which were said to have been extremely comfortable - a significant contrast to the functional 378's which ply some of the same routes nowadays. Simon (btw, taken from this page on my website, all images copied here are mine) citytransport.info/Short.htmIn an effort to maximise passenger loadings the S-tog trains in the Danish capital (Copenhagen) which date from 1996 use these revolutionary short wheelbase articulated walk-through trains that when first introduced totally re-wrote the "rule book" on modern train design. To facilitate the extra width of these trains they use very short carriages which on bends neither stick out so much at the ends nor have the middle of the carriage 'cut the corner' on the inside. To reduce the trains' weight and consequential power consumption they are articulated and use single axles (2 wheels) instead of 'bogie' units (which usually use twin axles / 4 wheels). Most trains are constructed as 2x4-carriage units permanently joined together. The outer carriage (with the driver's cab) has a wheelset at each end whilst the other carriages have one wheelset of their own and partially 'hang onto' the previous carriage. Despite using single wheels the ride quality is very acceptable. The revolutionary Copenhagen suburban trains. Each 8 carriage train is roughly the same length as a 4 carriage "conventional" train - but provides greater passenger capacity & comfort Inside view showing the inter-carriage walk-through feature, see-through anti-draught internal screens (with powered sliding doors) and spacious 3+3 seating. The red LED (light emitting diode) 'real-time' route information alters along the journey with the lower row of dots switching off as the journey progresses. Some carriages feature fold-up longitudinal seating, space for wheelchairs & pushchairs and even bicycle hoops. btw, Crossrail Class 345, eat your heart out. These trains are waay ahead! Additional information: The driving carriages are 12m (metres) in length and the trailers 10m. The fleet consists of 136 trains; 105 of which have 8 carriages (and are known as Litra SA) and 31 of which have 4 carriages (and are known as Litra SE). At just under 84m in length an 8 carriage train is comparable in length to a 4 carriage version of the older trains. Especially at busier times two units operate in multiple, giving 16 carriages in total. These trains are 3.6m wide (the older trains were 3.0m wide) and at 312 (plus 28 folding seats) they seat about 33% more passengers than the older trains - without the need for expensive lengthening of station platforms! In total 8 of the 10 axles per 8 carriage new train are motored, giving them a maximum acceleration rate of 1.3m per second and top speed of 120km/h (about 75 mph), although signalling or track limitations means that this speed is only reached on some routes. They are powered at 1650v DC and feature regenerative braking, reducing the energy requirement from the power station by approximately 40%. The shorter 4 carriage trains are a little under 43m in length, they offer 134 fixed seats plus 16 folding seats,
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Post by North End on Jul 21, 2017 2:15:28 GMT
I've had a good nosey around and, rather surprisingly, can't find another thread thread like this. What is your all time favourite stock? And second favourite? The impression I get from reading many posts here is that it will be A-Stock. To start: 1st: 38 Stock (tube stock) 2nd: S-Stock (rather surprisingly as generally: "the older the better"). If enough people respond I'll correlate the answers and calculate percentages after a fortnight.Hard to say really. On balance 59/62 stock probably favourite, 62 stock slightly having the edge due to the faster running on the Central Line, the light grey interior combined with red/black/grey moquette, and the fact they seemed to blend in well with the rural sections of the line like Epping-Ongar. As to second favourite, perhaps 72MkI stock, again for having good looks both inside and out. Must say a good word for the 92 stock too - despite all their issues I find them quite pleasant to travel on. Hate the S stock, I have mellowed towards them a little since they first appeared, but still find them horrible.
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Post by dagdave on Jul 21, 2017 8:31:36 GMT
Having commuted daily for 34 years on the D Stock I grew fond of them and wasn't looking forward to the new S Stock. What a pleasant surprise they have been though: Spacious, comfortable, smooth, quiet, and above all air conditioned in the summer and sensible heating in the winter. So for me they are the No.1
For nostalgia my No.2 spot goes to the two 38 Stock motor cars converted into the weed killing train. I spent many a happy summer whizzing around the system spraying weed killer on the lines. One memory was that we had to spray coming back from Ongar rather than going in as when we sprayed going in once we really struggled to get grip coming out and did a lot of wheel spinning heading towards Blake Hall.
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Post by grahamhewett on Jul 21, 2017 11:22:28 GMT
Are we including non passenger stock as well? I love the battery locos. They just have a certain character about them. The rumble of the compressors when you are inside the saloon, the sound of the contactors as you hand notch them and the sound of the safety valves popping if the governors are set too high. Second favourite must be the A stock. The stock I grew up on, the seating, and the smell. Whenever I get a chance to get inside one, they always smell the same. The world is our Oyster if we go for the service stock - I'd give my vote very time to those two stores locos L8 and L9 which had a cab at each end separated by - effectively - an open wagon - bizarre. @411 - I used to wonder if that characteristic "electric" smell wasn't ozone - but that's pretty poisonous, too...
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Post by class411 on Jul 21, 2017 14:50:11 GMT
@411 - I used to wonder if that characteristic "electric" smell wasn't ozone - but that's pretty poisonous, too... That's a quite different one to the 'paxolin' smell, and one anyone familiar with electric model railways will recognise. I don't ever recollect smelling that on the underground, but as it tends to be generated by arcing it's possible that others have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 16:05:12 GMT
Sorry no good for putting pictures on here but my favourite will have to be the Red Hen trains from Australia. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redhen_railcarThey were hot nosiey and you could have the doors open whilst in motion
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Post by towerman on Jul 21, 2017 16:19:36 GMT
@411 - I used to wonder if that characteristic "electric" smell wasn't ozone - but that's pretty poisonous, too... That's a quite different one to the 'paxolin' smell, and one anyone familiar with electric model railways will recognise. I don't ever recollect smelling that on the underground, but as it tends to be generated by arcing it's possible that others have. If you open up the covers on a PCM the ozone smell is quite pronounced.Re favourite stock it's got to be 62TS for reliability and ease of maintenance(ex fitter speaking here).
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Post by grahamhewett on Jul 21, 2017 16:24:35 GMT
@districtsom - You could do that too on the handoperated door Circle electric stock - as I can just remember (also remember the associated anxiety of accompanying parent...) Can't imagine RSSb tolerating that these days for a nano-second
@class411- no, you don't tempt me into going out for a comparative smelling of paxolin and ozone - I'll stick with creosote fences (am on 5 fences a day).
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Post by a60 on Jul 21, 2017 21:55:59 GMT
My favourite has to be the A-Stock; stands to reason given my username. It had many foibles for sure, quite old-fashioned on release, suspension which would have been put to shame by a pogo stick and noisy equipment, but all of that gave it a certain character. At the end of their service, it went without saying that they had the feel of a train which had been pushed to the ragged edge and yet despite their creaking as if to sound sick of themselves, they soldiered on for much longer than was originally anticipated - the above and the fact that I had the privilege to grow up using them puts them at number one on my list.
My second favourite (if we are to allow non LU stock) would be the 8100 Class DART trains in Dublin, which now that I live in Dublin are quite a frequent sighting for me on the way into work. I like them to travel on because they remind me of the A Stock in an odd way, probably the transverse seats and a vaguely similar shape. In another ten years they'll probably be getting phased out, but until then I can enjoy them.
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Post by 35b on Jul 21, 2017 22:16:13 GMT
S stock wins the favourite for me. The best Underground train I've ever had to stand on in 30 degree heat!
Second is the preserved Met steam stock. Characterful and surprisingly comfortable.
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Post by class411 on Jul 22, 2017 7:10:42 GMT
@class411- no, you don't tempt me into going out for a comparative smelling of paxolin and ozone - I'll stick with creosote fences (am on 5 fences a day). I adore that smell. The first day each year when you smell freshly cut grass and creosote was always, literally, a breath of spring. Interestingly, I was told it had been banned, and you certainly don't smell it as much these days, but on checking for this post I find that it is still available. Presumably it has been largely superseded by longer lasting preservatives.
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Post by countryman on Jul 22, 2017 7:47:44 GMT
@class411- no, you don't tempt me into going out for a comparative smelling of paxolin and ozone - I'll stick with creosote fences (am on 5 fences a day). I adore that smell. The first day each year when you smell freshly cut grass and creosote was always, literally, a breath of spring. Interestingly, I was told it had been banned, and you certainly don't smell it as much these days, but on checking for this post I find that it is still available. Presumably it has been largely superseded by longer lasting preservatives. Creoste does appear to be banned, at least for 'amateur' use! www.hse.gov.uk/biocides/copr/creosote.htm
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Post by brigham on Jul 22, 2017 8:20:43 GMT
My favourite has to be the A-Stock; stands to reason given my username... I like the A60 as well... The Austin A60, that is!
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Post by slugabed on Jul 22, 2017 16:35:20 GMT
One of the reasons you can't get "proper" Creosote any more,is that it was,like Coal Tar,a by-prduct of the Town Gas industry. What yu get these days is usualy a substitute,and a pretty poor one at that.
Back on topic.. My Favourite stock? 1938 and CO/CP/COP I'd say...I liked the feeling of old-world luxury.
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