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Post by pauluni on Jul 9, 2017 20:19:59 GMT
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Post by brigham on Jul 10, 2017 8:07:56 GMT
Sounds interesting.
"Tube on the Met".
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Post by pauluni on Jul 21, 2017 21:33:58 GMT
Times now available on the LTM ticket site. ticketfeed.ltmuseum.co.uk/en-GB/categories/heritage%20train%20journeys1938 Stock: - 10:15 Harrow-on-the-Hill to Amersham
- 11:21 Amersham to Watford return
- 13:21 Amersham to Watford return
- 14:27 Amersham to Watford return
- 15:52 Amersham to Ruislip
Steam: - 10:20 Harrow-on-the-Hill to Amersham
- 11:42 Amersham to Harrow-on-the-Hill return
- 13:42 Amersham to Harrow-on-the-Hill return
- 15:27 Amersham to Ruislip
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Post by pauluni on Jul 24, 2017 18:44:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 8:44:28 GMT
I wonder if it's because they're inserting new links to the pay site? Tickets go on sale this morning (Tue 25 July '17) at 10am. If you're having difficulty booking them call 020 7565 7298 for assistance.
If you're interested in the pop-up tea experience then you'll need to purchase a separate ticket for that, which costs £12.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 10:50:57 GMT
Just by way of an update, I have just purchased a couple of tickets for one of the Sunday steam sessions. I wasn't able to order the tea tickets at the same time (it kept coming up with an error message) but you can buy them separately: ticketfeed.ltmuseum.co.uk/search/vintage. Oh, I didn't see anything on the train tickets website about the 1938 Tube Stock. Perhaps this'll be added later? Chris |
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 25, 2017 20:34:52 GMT
I hope the 38 stock is still running...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 16:08:59 GMT
They are not releasing tickets for the 38TS until we have the result for the brake tests. I imagine it will say the website somewhere.
Edit: Yes, at the bottom:
Following the overhaul of the 1938 Tube stock it is still undergoing final safety tests and we are therefore unable to release tickets for sale until the train has passed these tests. We hope to release these for sale on the 11 August.
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Post by class411 on Jul 26, 2017 16:17:22 GMT
Is the running of the 38 planned to be a regular (if not frequent) occurrence?
I wanted to go on this trip but my brother is getting married that weekend and the selfish sod wouldn't postpone it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 15:45:19 GMT
Is the running of the 38 planned to be a regular (if not frequent) occurrence? I wanted to go on this trip but my brother is getting married that weekend and the selfish sod wouldn't postpone it. They would not spend 2+ years overhauling it to mainline condition, only to keep it locked away. |
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Post by miff on Jul 28, 2017 8:01:10 GMT
Is the running of the 38 planned to be a regular (if not frequent) occurrence? I wanted to go on this trip but my brother is getting married that weekend and the selfish sod wouldn't postpone it. They would not spend 2+ years overhauling it to mainline condition, only to keep it locked away. The unit has been little used, relatively speaking, since it was preserved. Outings have always been fairly rare. Has the current overhaul been done to a higher standard than the previous ones in preservation? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 28, 2017 12:31:49 GMT
Is the running of the 38 planned to be a regular (if not frequent) occurrence? Has the current overhaul been done to a higher standard than the previous ones in preservation? The LTM Friends newsletter states the recent work has been more thorough that that undertaken in 1999, welding techniques have improved. "This time repairs have made the unit fit for more robust use over then next 10 years or so.
Discussions ongoing to fit on-train signalling for upcoming SSR and Piccadilly signalling systems.
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Post by DWS on Jul 28, 2017 13:20:37 GMT
Is the running of the 38 planned to be a regular (if not frequent) occurrence? Has the current overhaul been done to a higher standard than the previous ones in preservation? The LTM Friends newsletter states the recent work has been more thorough that that undertaken in 1999, welding techniques have improved. "This time repairs have made the unit fit for more robust use over then next 10 years or so.
Discussions ongoing to fit on-train signalling for upcoming SSR and Piccadilly signalling systems.
Running of the unit is currently secure until 2022."Let's hope the new signalling on the Piccadily line is the same as SSR as two systems will be too expensive , let alone finding the space to fit the equipment . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 13:24:06 GMT
They would not spend 2+ years overhauling it to mainline condition, only to keep it locked away. The unit has been little used, relatively speaking, since it was preserved. Outings have always been fairly rare. Has the current overhaul been done to a higher standard than the previous ones in preservation? Yes, but not totally so. It was discovered during overhaul that it was involved in an accident of some sort at some point. If it was not known before, I would assume it was a more in-depth overhaul. |
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Post by North End on Jul 28, 2017 13:46:13 GMT
The LTM Friends newsletter states the recent work has been more thorough that that undertaken in 1999, welding techniques have improved. "This time repairs have made the unit fit for more robust use over then next 10 years or so.
Discussions ongoing to fit on-train signalling for upcoming SSR and Piccadilly signalling systems.
Running of the unit is currently secure until 2022."Let's hope the new signalling on the Piccadily line is the same as SSR as two systems will be too expensive , let alone finding the space to fit the equipment . I would love to see it back on the Northern, its rightful home. Personally I have doubts about how viable it will be to fit Seltrac however. There are enough problems with getting it to work well on 95 and 96 stock, let alone something much older. The plus side is that it would be driven by drivers who are (one assumes) much better at PM driving than most regular train operators are, but the down side is that there's a very high probability of an EB occurring at some stage or another, which in turn means there's a very high probability of the train sustaining flatted wheels. |
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Post by countryman on Jul 28, 2017 14:05:56 GMT
Let's hope the new signalling on the Piccadily line is the same as SSR as two systems will be too expensive , let alone finding the space to fit the equipment . I would love to see it back on the Northern, its rightful home. Personally I have doubts about how viable it will be to fit Seltrac however. There are enough problems with getting it to work well on 95 and 96 stock, let alone something much older. The plus side is that it would be driven by drivers who are (one assumes) much better at PM driving than most regular train operators are, but the down side is that there's a very high probability of an EB occurring at some stage or another, which in turn means there's a very high probability of the train sustaining flatted wheels. PM, EB? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 14:35:50 GMT
PM - Permissive(?) Manual, driving manually using the in cab signalling, called Coded Manual on Central
EB - Emergency brake
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 18:07:47 GMT
PM - Permissive(?) Manual, driving manually using the in cab signalling, called Coded Manual on Central PM = Protected Manual, as in, protected by the ATP, in contrast to RM, where no Automatic Train Protection is available and as such speeds are severely restricted. |
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 28, 2017 19:39:38 GMT
Yes it would be great to see it on the Northern, perhaps on the Mill Hill East branch as part of a special event. I suggest this branch because it could then operate as the only train on the track and not need signalling. Returning to the main topic of this thread, it would be great if some Q stock cars were on display somewhere to help raise awareness of / attract extra funding for their refurbishment. As seen below this was done for the Met's bogie stock in 2000, so there is a precedent for this type of demonstration. Perhaps though rather than Rickmansworth (where I suspect that the bay platform would not be long enough and also no longer has any track) the bay at Chalfont & Latimer could be used (if that still exists).  Simon |
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Post by North End on Jul 28, 2017 22:36:33 GMT
Yes it would be great to see it on the Northern, perhaps on the Mill Hill East branch as part of a special event. I suggest this branch because it could then operate as the only train on the track and not need signalling. Returning to the main topic of this thread, it would be great if some Q stock cars were on display somewhere to help raise awareness of / attract extra funding for their refurbishment. As seen below this was done for the Met's bogie stock in 2000, so there is a precedent for this type of demonstration. Perhaps though rather than Rickmansworth (where I suspect that the bay platform would not be long enough and also no longer has any track) the bay at Chalfont & Latimer could be used (if that still exists). Simon Alas I don't think Mill Hill is feasible. The problem is that although the branch could be locked out like a possession, arrangements would be needed to mitigate against an overrun of the platform at Finchley Central. I don't think there's enough space to do this, plus I think from memory the TBTC doesn't like two trains communicating trains approaching the conflict point at the same time (I'm only 60% sure on this so someone else may know better), and it certainly wouldn't like a NCT approaching southwards whilst a Barnet train comes northwards. The trap points went as part of the upgrade, I believe retaining them wouldn't have been compliant with current standards anyway. Could just about run a shuttle from East Finchley to somewhere in Highgate Depot I suppose, albeit with a lot of points secured. Or how about laying track through one of the tunnels to Highgate High Level? Even better all the way to Finsbury Park. Might upset the bat zealots who allegedly keep a close eye on any goings on regarding the Highgate tunnels. |
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Post by class411 on Jul 29, 2017 7:26:19 GMT
TBTC abd BCT anyone?
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Post by Chris M on Jul 29, 2017 10:27:43 GMT
TBTC - transmission-based train control. The signalling technology used on the northern line.
NCT (I assume BCT is a typo) - non-communicating train. A train that is not communicating with the signalling system (for whatever reason, including not being fitted with the TBTC kit). The signalling system can see it but has no control over its movements or stop it if it goes too far - all it can do is keep other trains out of any sections it could enter.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 29, 2017 12:24:47 GMT
Both are listed in our common abbreviations list. Whilst the list doesn't cover all abbreviations, and we do encourage members to post using full terms (at least on first use within a post) - please check the list rather than asking in a thread. As always, if you have an abbreviation that you'd like added to the list then please PM Amy member of forum staff. |
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Post by North End on Jul 29, 2017 14:19:41 GMT
TBTC - Transmission Based Train Control (or, unofficially, "Tubelines Bought Thales rubbish"). NCT - Non-Communicating Train. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 3, 2017 11:07:31 GMT
An update from LT Museum:
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Post by pauluni on Sept 5, 2017 22:43:32 GMT
The 4TC was moved back to Ruislip from Swanage yesterday
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Post by pauluni on Sept 6, 2017 12:00:15 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 11, 2017 21:28:15 GMT
I attended the Steam On The Met event on Sunday 10th September.
A train comprising two steam locomotives, two diesel locomotives and the recently repainted British Rail Class 438 4-TC set travelled from Ruislip depot to Harrow-on-The-Hill from where it made several return journeys to Amersham, before returning to Ruislip.
At Amersham the London Transport Museum had arranged a special afternoon tea on the island platform plus there were some memorabilia sales stands.
Outside the station three Routemaster buses carried passengers to the town centre and to Chesham.
The bus rides were free of charge but the train rides and afternoon tea were chargeable.
What was good was the large numbers of people who turned out to see the trains and ride the buses. Many family groups. Despite the grey skies and being (at times) quite blustery, the rain mostly held off.
What was not so good however was that in perfect present-era railway fashion getting to this event was not as easy as it should have been - this was because the regular service was disrupted by planned weekend closures. On this occasion the Metropolitan Line was not operating south of Wembley Park - passengers had to use the slow all stations Jubilee line instead and change at Wembley Park.
On my way north I found the interchange at Wembley Park to be a shambolic experience with even the poor lady making the PA announcements having no idea about what was actually happening. The electronic 'next train' information displays kept changing between Chesham, Watford and Uxbridge trains as being the first train, not that it mattered too much as in reality no trains came at the advertised times. When a train did finally arrive it was a Watford train - so I had to change again whilst en route, which entailed even more waiting.
I saw the 4TC set and BR diesel loco 20142 in their new pastiche fully lined London Transport red livery. Regarding their new guises, er um, ye gads, what has happened here? My best answer comes in the form of a quote by Star Trek's Mr Spock; "Its history Jim, but not as we knew it". I suppose though that the general public will not know or care about the accuracy of these liveries for these items of rolling stock. At least the steam locos emitted real steam!
My journey home was much easier as I took a Chiltern train from Amersham to Harrow On the Hill and I only had to wait a few minutes for a Metropolitan train to Wembley Park, where a Jubilee Line train was arriving at the same time as the train I was travelling on.
As an aside, re: the four(!) locomotives, these were (steam) Met No.1 and what I think was GWR 9466 plus (diesel) 20142 and 20205.
In due course some photos will appear on Flickr and video on YouTube.
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Post by kevraul26 on Sept 12, 2017 18:28:43 GMT
I attended the Steam On The Met event on Sunday 10th September. A train comprising two steam locomotives, two diesel locomotives and the recently repainted British Rail Class 438 4-TC set travelled from Ruislip depot to Harrow-on-The-Hill from where it made several return journeys to Amersham, before returning to Ruislip. At Amersham the London Transport Museum had arranged a special afternoon tea on the island platform plus there were some memorabilia sales stands. Outside the station three Routemaster buses carried passengers to the town centre and to Chesham. The bus rides were free of charge but the train rides and afternoon tea were chargeable. What was good was the large numbers of people who turned out to see the trains and ride the buses. Many family groups. Despite the grey skies and being (at times) quite blustery, the rain mostly held off. What was not so good however was that in perfect present-era railway fashion getting to this event was not as easy as it should have been - this was because the regular service was disrupted by planned weekend closures. On this occasion the Metropolitan Line was not operating south of Wembley Park - passengers had to use the slow all stations Jubilee line instead and change at Wembley Park. On my way north I found the interchange at Wembley Park to be a shambolic experience with even the poor lady making the PA announcements having no idea about what was actually happening. The electronic 'next train' information displays kept changing between Chesham, Watford and Uxbridge trains as being the first train, not that it mattered too much as in reality no trains came at the advertised times. When a train did finally arrive it was a Watford train - so I had to change again whilst en route, which entailed even more waiting. I saw the 4TC set and BR diesel loco 20142 in their new pastiche fully lined London Transport red livery. Regarding their new guises, er um, ye gads, what has happened here? My best answer comes in the form of a quote by Star Trek's Mr Spock; "Its history Jim, but not as we knew it". I suppose though that the general public will not know or care about the accuracy of these liveries for these items of rolling stock. At least the steam locos emitted real steam! My journey home was much easier as I took a Chiltern train from Amersham to Harrow On the Hill and I only had to wait a few minutes for a Metropolitan train to Wembley Park, where a Jubilee Line train was arriving at the same time as the train I was travelling on. As an aside, re: the four(!) locomotives, these were (steam) Met No.1 and what I think was GWR 9466 plus (diesel) 20142 and 20205. In due course some photos will appear on Flickr and video on YouTube. Simon A few of my photos from Sunday at Ruislip      |
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