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Post by drainrat on Apr 29, 2017 21:19:30 GMT
The 1992s have interlock cutouts for the saloon doors, if operated then we go out of service to the depot with a member of station staff in the car/cars where we have door problems but we don't have interlock cutouts for the cab. We can drive with the cab door open in manual but in ATO all doors have to be closed And this has caused us no end of aggravation with various incidents over last year
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Post by drainrat on Apr 29, 2017 21:22:30 GMT
I thought that the Cab Door Interlock switch was only relevant if the train was running in automatic mode, otherwise it serves no function. When Driving Manually, as in the case of the Central Line operator, it has been normal to open the cab door in hot weather to allow for good air circulation in case of need, it happened on the 1973 stock and others. its not a switch that can be operated by the driver, think it works in the round train circuit in ATO checks, CM mode automatically switches it out along with the M door too, which is the door at front of drivers cab.
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Post by North End on Apr 29, 2017 23:11:49 GMT
I never knew the 92 ts didn't have interlock cutouts. The 95 and 73's do and I'm assuming the 96's will have it due to being similar in design to the 95's, I'm not sure about the s stock or 09's, and obviously the 72's wouldn't need it due to not having side cab doors! I'm sure the 96 can (could) be driven manually without the need to cut anything out. The 72s (yes, I drove them too) had droplight cut out switch, to be able to drive with the windows down, on account of an Elephant driver head butting the signal plate as he came out of tunnel on approach to Queens pk in 1997 🙄 95 stock certainly has a cut-out switch, and I'm pretty sure 96 stock does too. On the Northern the train will always enter service with the switch in the normal position. Aside from defects it will be operated if the driver fancies running with the cab door open (a small handful of drivers do it on a regular basis, less since TBTC, also it sometimes happens if a driver has an odour problem so having the doors open before handing over reduces the likelihood of complaints being made), and sometimes to assist staff doing certain tasks, one of which is removing flapping trackside posters. The done thing is normally to restore the switch before handing the train to someone else, but sometimes this gets forgotten, in which case another driver will normally flip it back, simply because it causes an irritating message to keep coming up on the TMS. Same applies to the handful of drivers who operate the heat and vent cut-out switch for peace and quiet, courtesy is to put it back before giving the train to someone else, but easy to forget. Again this causes an annoying TMS message to keep coming up, but some judge this to be the lesser of two evils compared to the noise from the saloon fans.
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Post by tubetraveller on Apr 30, 2017 4:33:07 GMT
I'm sure the 96 can (could) be driven manually without the need to cut anything out. The 72s (yes, I drove them too) had droplight cut out switch, to be able to drive with the windows down, on account of an Elephant driver head butting the signal plate as he came out of tunnel on approach to Queens pk in 1997 🙄 95 stock certainly has a cut-out switch, and I'm pretty sure 96 stock does too.. The '96 stock can be driven in PM with the driver's doors open but not in ATO. It doesn't need any extra cutouts, this is the default behaviour
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Post by superteacher on Apr 30, 2017 7:41:03 GMT
I never knew the 92 ts didn't have interlock cutouts. The 95 and 73's do and I'm assuming the 96's will have it due to being similar in design to the 95's, I'm not sure about the s stock or 09's, and obviously the 72's wouldn't need it due to not having side cab doors! I'm sure the 96 can (could) be driven manually without the need to cut anything out. The 72s (yes, I drove them too) had droplight cut out switch, to be able to drive with the windows down, on account of an Elephant driver head butting the signal plate as he came out of tunnel on approach to Queens pk in 1997 🙄 Did his trunk get in the way . . .
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Post by alpinejohn on Apr 30, 2017 14:25:08 GMT
Oops they did it again... A few hours back someone called Francesca Gillet penned another Standard article professing to cover everything you need to know about the Elizabeth Line.. The article can be seen here linkI love this bit of total nonsense .. "The first passenger trains have been spotted across London during the tests but TfL are keeping information about what the trains look like on the inside closely guarded." I guess journos at the Standard rarely bother to check their facts or take a quick trip to WH Smith where its seems the Railway Gazette has published loads of interior pictures of the "secret" new Elizabeth Line trains. Hey ho never let facts get in the way
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 30, 2017 14:44:29 GMT
They're probably just narked that they didn't get invited to the open day.
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Post by drainrat on Apr 30, 2017 15:11:37 GMT
95 stock certainly has a cut-out switch, and I'm pretty sure 96 stock does too.. The '96 stock can be driven in PM with the driver's doors open but not in ATO. It doesn't need any extra cutouts, this is the default behaviour Thought that was the case
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 16:09:28 GMT
You can look at the interior photos on the Official Crossrail Website.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Apr 30, 2017 18:38:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 20:50:14 GMT
I always thought that the Independent was a Higher Quality Newspaper, like the Guardian and the Times....
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Post by stapler on Apr 30, 2017 21:23:18 GMT
I always thought that the Independent was a Higher Quality Newspaper, like the Guardian and the Times.... The Independent isn't a newspaper at all. So few people bought it, it's now internet-only crud. At least the ink doesn't come off on your fingers...
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Post by up1989 on Apr 30, 2017 21:41:56 GMT
I never knew the 92 ts didn't have interlock cutouts. The 95 and 73's do and I'm assuming the 96's will have it due to being similar in design to the 95's, I'm not sure about the s stock or 09's, and obviously the 72's wouldn't need it due to not having side cab doors! I'm sure the 96 can (could) be driven manually without the need to cut anything out. The 72s (yes, I drove them too) had droplight cut out switch, to be able to drive with the windows down, on account of an Elephant driver head butting the signal plate as he came out of tunnel on approach to Queens pk in 1997 🙄 Aha I would have never had thought the 72's would have a cut out! Good to learn more stuff about stocks, and I just assumed the 96 had a similar set up to the 95, makes you wonder why the 95 has a cut out in th first place. Of course in ato it won't go with a cab door open.
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Post by piccboy on Apr 30, 2017 22:13:03 GMT
I'm sure the 96 can (could) be driven manually without the need to cut anything out. The 72s (yes, I drove them too) had droplight cut out switch, to be able to drive with the windows down, on account of an Elephant driver head butting the signal plate as he came out of tunnel on approach to Queens pk in 1997 🙄 Aha I would have never had thought the 72's would have a cut out! Good to learn more stuff about stocks, and I just assumed the 96 had a similar set up to the 95, makes you wonder why the 95 has a cut out in th first place. Of course in ato it won't go with a cab door open. All trains need to have the cut out in some form, in case the cab door / drop light cannot be closed, or the switch / sensor fails. The cut out exists to get the train moving. The 72's droplight cut out (if memory serves me correctly) is a left over legacy from the 67 stock which was there to stop the train from being able to start with no one in the cab.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 30, 2017 23:48:08 GMT
These idiots must be completely out of touch with reality. I couldn't count the number of times I've seen trains operated with the driver's door open. It beggars belief that no one from the busybody with the camera, through the ninny that wrote the piece. to the editor that allowed it to deface his publication, was aware of the fact that it is quite a common occurrence in hot weather. I happened to be on the tube last week and therefore saw the Standard article while on the train. I saw a few words and the obvious use of a "social media" / "smartphone camera" type photo and thought it would be a load of hyped sensationalist nonsense. I sincerely hope no one at LU has taken this seriously or attempted any action against the driver. These sorts of "oh look how shocking" uninformed snapshots and rubbish remarks on social media are an absolute curse and the TV media & newspapers have people trawling the web with search routines etc all day, every day with the result that people get quoted and hounded and have their privacy breached. Virtually nothing is private or away from potential surveillance or scrutiny these days. Must make life very difficult for people working in public areas or with the public - constant risk of the slightest thing being recorded / snapped and then misinterpreted. And well done to "Mr Shrugged" for a well rounded, factual and astute response.
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Post by stapler on May 1, 2017 7:01:42 GMT
Wasn't driving with the cab door open mostly routine in the summer? As it was with LT buses in the RT era. And wasn't the service suspended at one time in the 70s on the Epping-Ongar when a motorman was scared by a rabbit (?hare) leaping into the cab somewhere near Blake Hall?
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Post by superteacher on May 1, 2017 7:28:45 GMT
I remember 1959 stock with the M (cab front) door wedged open with a piece of wood!
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Post by class411 on May 1, 2017 9:05:31 GMT
I always thought that the Independent was a Higher Quality Newspaper, like the Guardian and the Times.... The Independent isn't a newspaper at all. So few people bought it, it's now internet-only crud. At least the ink doesn't come off on your fingers... It never did! The Independent was the very first UK national to use ink that did not come off. [\PEDANT] SWNDRTPTW
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on May 1, 2017 9:15:50 GMT
The Independent isn't a newspaper at all. So few people bought it, it's now internet-only crud. At least the ink doesn't come off on your fingers... It never did! The Independent was the very first UK national to use ink that did not come off. [\PEDANT] SWNDRTPTW 411, are you sure you weren't reading it's sister paper the Indie Pedant?
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Post by class411 on May 1, 2017 9:29:55 GMT
It never did! The Independent was the very first UK national to use ink that did not come off. [\PEDANT] SWNDRTPTW 411, are you sure you weren't reading it's sister paper the Indie Pedant? That made me laugh out loud. They should bring that out. It would sell in the millions thousands tens.
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Post by drainrat on May 1, 2017 13:08:31 GMT
Aha I would have never had thought the 72's would have a cut out! Good to learn more stuff about stocks, and I just assumed the 96 had a similar set up to the 95, makes you wonder why the 95 has a cut out in th first place. Of course in ato it won't go with a cab door open. All trains need to have the cut out in some form, in case the cab door / drop light cannot be closed, or the switch / sensor fails. The cut out exists to get the train moving. The 72's droplight cut out (if memory serves me correctly) is a left over legacy from the 67 stock which was there to stop the train from being able to start with no one in the cab. Which we know it has done in the past 🤔
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Post by drainrat on May 1, 2017 13:11:58 GMT
I'm sure the 96 can (could) be driven manually without the need to cut anything out. The 72s (yes, I drove them too) had droplight cut out switch, to be able to drive with the windows down, on account of an Elephant driver head butting the signal plate as he came out of tunnel on approach to Queens pk in 1997 🙄 Did his trunk get in the way . . . I'm sure he didn't forget to keep that in
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Post by drainrat on May 1, 2017 13:37:10 GMT
There's a sense of irony in that all these liberal types who throw around words like 'shocking', 'epic', 'immense' etc. are also the types who see no 'immensely shocking' behaviour in jumping on their 'man' scooters to ride the travelator down to the W&C platforms at Bank with their 3 yr old kids for an 'EPIC' ride, or cycling their bikes along the platforms as the train starts to pull away, before claiming the driver should've waited to depart till after they'd left the platform as the turbulence created could've pulled them to the train and maybe to their death. Or the entitled (gran)dad at Notting hill (I say grandad, he was the girls dad, but was old enough to be her grandad), who decided the only way he was going to catch the train was by launching his 2 yr old daughter at the train as the doors closed, leaving her on the train and his missus screaming in the passageway, of course, the 'shocking' incident was all the fault of the driver, how dare he close the doors whilst they weren't on the platform 😡
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Post by tubetraveller on May 1, 2017 13:38:25 GMT
All trains need to have the cut out in some form, in case the cab door / drop light cannot be closed, or the switch / sensor fails. The cut out exists to get the train moving. The 72's droplight cut out (if memory serves me correctly) is a left over legacy from the 67 stock which was there to stop the train from being able to start with no one in the cab. Which we know it has done in the past 🤔 Wasn't that because somebody was hanging their bag on the TBC?
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Post by John Tuthill on May 1, 2017 13:51:21 GMT
There's a sense of irony in that all these liberal types who throw around words like 'shocking', 'epic', 'immense' etc. are also the types who see no 'immensely shocking' behaviour in jumping on their 'man' scooters to ride the travelator down to the W&C platforms at Bank with their 3 yr old kids for an 'EPIC' ride, or cycling their bikes along the platforms as the train starts to pull away, before claiming the driver should've waited to depart till after they'd left the platform as the turbulence created could've pulled them to the train and maybe to their death. Or the entitled (gran)dad at Notting hill (I say grandad, he was the girls dad, but was old enough to be her grandad), who decided the only way he was going to catch the train was by launching his 2 yr old daughter at the train as the doors closed, leaving her on the train and his missus screaming in the passageway, of course, the 'shocking' incident was all the fault of the driver, how dare he close the doors whilst they weren't on the platform 😡 "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" Sadly I don't know what level is below a fool
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Post by Chris M on May 1, 2017 14:27:19 GMT
"Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" Sadly I don't know what level is below a fool A tabloid journalist.
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Post by drainrat on May 1, 2017 15:22:18 GMT
Which we know it has done in the past 🤔 Wasn't that because somebody was hanging their bag on the TBC? No, that was on the Picc 😉
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Post by phoenixcronin on May 1, 2017 16:29:02 GMT
I remember 1959 stock with the M (cab front) door wedged open with a piece of wood! I've seen 73 stock with the nearside cab door wedged slightly open with a pen to create a breeze!
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Post by class411 on May 1, 2017 17:20:30 GMT
There's a sense of irony in that all these liberal types who throw around words like 'shocking', 'epic', 'immense' etc. are also the types who see no 'immensely shocking' behaviour in jumping on their 'man' scooters to ride the travelator down to the W&C platforms at Bank with their 3 yr old kids for an 'EPIC' ride, or cycling their bikes along the platforms as the train starts to pull away, before claiming the driver should've waited to depart till after they'd left the platform as the turbulence created could've pulled them to the train and maybe to their death. Or the entitled (gran)dad at Notting hill (I say grandad, he was the girls dad, but was old enough to be her grandad), who decided the only way he was going to catch the train was by launching his 2 yr old daughter at the train as the doors closed, leaving her on the train and his missus screaming in the passageway, of course, the 'shocking' incident was all the fault of the driver, how dare he close the doors whilst they weren't on the platform 😡 I hope the management at LU have a sensible and robust attitude to this sort of nonsensical complaint, not the sort of mealy mouthed (to the driver): "OK, you didn't do anything wrong but watch it in future" rubbish that some lame brains come up with.
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