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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 14:49:24 GMT
I use Southfields Station quite regularly and several weeks ago I was surprised to see the amount of rubbish, thrown out of the cab by drivers at the far end of both platforms. This included coffee cups, empty sandwich boxes, banana skins and even a plastic fork. I wrote to LU Customer Service about this, saying what lazy bad practice this was, and they replied, apologising, and saying that they'd inform the drivers.
A clear-up of some sorts took place after a month, but at the weekend I noticed that the request to the drivers must have fallen on deaf ears or not have been made at all, as rubbish was accumulating again. This is on the left-hand side, where the driver's cab is situated, when the train is at rest in the station.
Some local people have asked to water the hanging baskets on this station and tend to the plants, obviously taking pride in their station, yet their good work is being undone by the selfish bad habits of some drivers. Throwing rubbish around in this way in the street could result in a fine.
Assuming there are drivers reading this forum, would you bring this to the attention of your colleagues?
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Post by class411 on Mar 20, 2017 14:54:29 GMT
I suppose that drivers have a problem in that they want to keep their cabs tidy but cannot just jump out of the train at a station and find a litter bin.
A receptacle at the stopping point of the driver's door would be a good idea, where this is past a "No passengers beyond this point" gate.
I'm surprised that rubbish accumulates for more than a day or so, because I would assume that the platforms are swept reasonably regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 15:13:54 GMT
The rubbish isn't on the platforms, it's on the banking on the left-hand side, in both the Earl's Court and Wimbledon directions.
If they put a receptacle at the stopping point by the driver's door as you suggest, someone would have to cross the live track to access it to empty it, which is difficult and dangerous with the current flowing.
The simple solution is for the drivers to bring their rubbish out of the cab at the terminus and put it in a bin there.
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Post by North End on Mar 20, 2017 15:28:57 GMT
I use Southfields Station quite regularly and several weeks ago I was surprised to see the amount of rubbish, thrown out of the cab by drivers at the far end of both platforms. This included coffee cups, empty sandwich boxes, banana skins and even a plastic fork. I wrote to LU Customer Service about this, saying what lazy bad practice this was, and they replied, apologising, and saying that they'd inform the drivers. A clear-up of some sorts took place after a month, but at the weekend I noticed that the request to the drivers must have fallen on deaf ears or not have been made at all, as rubbish was accumulating again. This is on the left-hand side, where the driver's cab is situated, when the train is at rest in the station. Some local people have asked to water the hanging baskets on this station and tend to the plants, obviously taking pride in their station, yet their good work is being undone by the selfish bad habits of some drivers. Throwing rubbish around in this way in the street could result in a fine. Assuming there are drivers reading this forum, would you bring this to the attention of your colleagues? With up to around 400-500 drivers per line, there are bound to be a few who do this. Unfortunately, realistically there's not a great deal that can be done. Whilst it's certainly something that management would pull someone up on if seen, management can't be everywhere, particularly at the extremes of the day. Circulars can be put out, but circulars can also be ignored. There used to be a major issue with people urinating in Kennington Loop, such that a walk round there is a pretty unpleasant experience. Despite circular after circular, and even the suggestion of some sort of camera, the problem only really went away with ATO and a timetable that provides less dwell time there. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 20, 2017 17:05:34 GMT
The rubbish isn't on the platforms, it's on the banking on the left-hand side, in both the Earl's Court and Wimbledon directions. If they put a receptacle at the stopping point by the driver's door as you suggest, someone would have to cross the live track to access it to empty it, which is difficult and dangerous with the current flowing. . I thought "411" was suggesting a bin on the platform side. I would guess they prefer chucking the rubbish out on the non-platform side only because they can't be seen doing it. But as they have to open the driver's door on the platform side anyway, a bin where "411" suggests, on the platform beyond the "no passengers beyond this point" sign, would be more convenient for the drivers than opening the "wrong side" driver's door. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:59:26 GMT
Trust me it's not the only place
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Post by t697 on Mar 20, 2017 19:30:54 GMT
The rubbish isn't on the platforms, it's on the banking on the left-hand side, in both the Earl's Court and Wimbledon directions. If they put a receptacle at the stopping point by the driver's door as you suggest, someone would have to cross the live track to access it to empty it, which is difficult and dangerous with the current flowing. . I thought "411" was suggesting a bin on the platform side. I would guess they prefer chucking the rubbish out on the non-platform side only because they can't be seen doing it. But as they have to open the driver's door on the platform side anyway, a bin where "411" suggests, on the platform beyond the "no passengers beyond this point" sign, would be more convenient for the drivers than opening the "wrong side" driver's door. They don't have to open the cab door on the platform side for normal station duties as there is in cab OPO CCTV. I suppose it's convenient to dispose of rubbish at Southfields because it's an island platform and as someone pointed out, opening the cab door on the driver's side (left hand side) won't be that obvious to most passengers. |
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Post by up1989 on Mar 20, 2017 19:39:57 GMT
Unfortunately rubbish can been seen at most stations, Ive found some odd things thrown out by presumably drivers. The current favourite is polystyrene cups on the top of the green stopping mark.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 7:38:54 GMT
As t697 says, Southfields has an island platform serving both directions.
It does nothing for the public's image of drivers if they just sling out their rubbish at the stations where they can't be seen doing it, such as at Southfields.
It shouldn't need management to spot them in the act, they ought to have their own sense of environmental responsibility to not spoil the appearance of stations in this way.
All drivers need to do is to put the polystyrene cups, burger boxes and the rest in a bag, take it off the train at the terminus,
and dispose of it in a bin. It's that simple.
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 21, 2017 11:11:50 GMT
However now we need to pay 5p for a bag, we are more likely to go without. Perhaps why there is now more rubbish tossed away?
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 21, 2017 12:18:59 GMT
North Acton Platform 3 is another, drivers buy coffee at Ealing Broadway and then chuck the empty cup out trackside. Woodford 21 road and Northolt siding are other dumping grounds, not so bad at Newbury Park though. There have been notices put up recently about this but I doubt if the perpetrators have taken any notice.
Some drivers just leave their rubbish in the cab, you pick up a train and only discover the mess when you change ends. I once relieved a White City driver on Leytonstone EB, when I got to Epping I found an empty bag of sweets and every single wrapper left in the cab. I collected them up and the next time I had a meal break at White City I left them in the driver's letter drawer.
The other memorable one was the floor of the cab covered in pistachio shells, it makes you wonder if they're this untidy at home.......
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Post by phil on Mar 21, 2017 13:13:30 GMT
As t697 says, Southfields has an island platform serving both directions. It does nothing for the public's image of drivers if they just sling out their rubbish at the stations where they can't be seen doing it, such as at Southfields. It shouldn't need management to spot them in the act, they ought to have their own sense of environmental responsibility to not spoil the appearance of stations in this way. All drivers need to do is to put the polystyrene cups, burger boxes and the rest in a bag, take it off the train at the terminus, and dispose of it in a bin. It's that simple. Sadly its not just tube drivers that do it. Take a carefully look round after any engineering works and its easy to spot rubbish stuffed into the undergrowth. More than once I have had to moan at my colleagues for simply tossing empty drinks bottles into the bushes. Moreover next time you take a drive along our trunk road network supposedly 'looked after' by "Highways England" and note just how much rubbish and litter there is on the verges / central reserve (particularly close to services). What we need is a hard hitting campaign that effectively 'names and shames' offenders - just sticking a few signs at the side of the road telling the Great British public not to chuck their Costa / Starbucks cups / sandwich wrappers out of their windows obviously doesn't have any effect. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 15:27:36 GMT
From slapping higher fines on litterbugs to mobilising volunteers to help deter them, Singapore has a range of measures in place in its efforts to keep the country clean.
They'd soon change their ways if the following was imposed here.
This is how they deal with them in Singapore "to deter those who continue to act irresponsibly."
Now the maximum fine for littering offenders has been doubled to $2,000 for a first conviction. Those who persist can be fined $4,000 for their second conviction, and $10,000 for their third and subsequent convictions.
The courts may also impose Corrective Work Orders (CWOs) requiring offenders to clean public areas for up to 12 hours.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 21, 2017 18:41:00 GMT
From slapping higher fines on litterbugs to mobilising volunteers to help deter them, Singapore has a range of measures in place in its efforts to keep the country clean. They'd soon change their ways if the following was imposed here. This is how they deal with them in Singapore "to deter those who continue to act irresponsibly." Now the maximum fine for littering offenders has been doubled to $2,000 for a first conviction. Those who persist can be fined $4,000 for their second conviction, and $10,000 for their third and subsequent convictions. The courts may also impose Corrective Work Orders (CWOs) requiring offenders to clean public areas for up to 12 hours. Singapore isn't Britain. The police don't have enough officers to deal with their current workload let alone the additional task of enforcing littering fines. PCSO numbers are also being cut back and any member of the public trying to remonstrate with someone littering is likely to get verbal abuse as a reward. |
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Post by brigham on Mar 22, 2017 11:45:23 GMT
As my old Granny frequently used to say; "You'll reap what you sow".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 20:36:43 GMT
The other memorable one was the floor of the cab covered in pistachio shells, it makes you wonder if they're this untidy at home....... Not as bad as leaving cotton wool buds in the sinks at Leytonstone! |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 23, 2017 0:38:24 GMT
The other memorable one was the floor of the cab covered in pistachio shells, it makes you wonder if they're this untidy at home....... Not as bad as leaving cotton wool buds in the sinks at Leytonstone! There has been worse in the Leytonstone toilets........... |
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Post by roythebus on Mar 23, 2017 8:44:12 GMT
Not to mention the almost complete lack of public rubbish disposal facilities at any railway station these days for security reasons.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 23, 2017 12:33:13 GMT
Not to mention the almost complete lack of public rubbish disposal facilities at any railway station these days for security reasons. Many is the occasion when I've placed rubbish directly into the bin on a cleaner's cart or into a bag they are carrying, particularly when arriving into Bank on the DLR, due to the lack of other (obvious) alternatives. |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 23, 2017 12:47:56 GMT
Not to mention the almost complete lack of public rubbish disposal facilities at any railway station these days for security reasons. The police got rid of litter bins on railway stations in 1991 after a bomb was placed in one at Victoria, at some point back in the 2000s they started to introduce clear plastic bags hanging from a yellow plastic hoop so that the contents can be seen and every Tube station should have at least one somewhere. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 23, 2017 13:44:40 GMT
Not to mention the almost complete lack of public rubbish disposal facilities at any railway station these days for security reasons. The police got rid of litter bins on railway stations in 1991 after a bomb was placed in one at Victoria, at some point back in the 2000s they started to introduce clear plastic bags hanging from a yellow plastic hoop so that the contents can be seen and every Tube station should have at least one somewhere. Maybe they should put one I the cab!  |
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 23, 2017 19:03:30 GMT
There's little enough space in the cab as it is with all the kit we carry in there and it would smell after a few hours, just what we need in a confined space!
(N.B. ATO won't work with the doors open, before you suggest that)
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