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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 3, 2017 9:29:19 GMT
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 3, 2017 10:13:07 GMT
Just because phones are getting smarter doesn't mean people are getting less stupid.
The number of times I've been on a train that has been used as protection while a mobile phone is retrieved from the track by station staff has noticeably increased in the last few years and from the cab I see far more passengers on the platforms when I arrive are either staring at the mobile phone or plugged into earphones. They're not watching where they are going when they get on the train or they can't hear the warning chimes when the doors are about to close and I suspect that has contributed more to the rise in PTI accidents recently rather than the introduction of S Stock.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 16:29:02 GMT
I would make them wait till the following day get them retrieved in engineering hours
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Post by Chris M on Mar 3, 2017 17:06:33 GMT
If you leave something that looks valuable on the track in view of the platform you probably significantly increase the risk of someone attempting to pick it up themselves. I'd rather the service be delayed a couple of minutes to retrieve a device than someone get electrocuted or hit by a train.
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Post by North End on Mar 3, 2017 17:54:38 GMT
If you leave something that looks valuable on the track in view of the platform you probably significantly increase the risk of someone attempting to pick it up themselves. I'd rather the service be delayed a couple of minutes to retrieve a device than someone get electrocuted or hit by a train. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I know one station, who will remain nameless, where they will retrieve the item off the track, but still tell the passenger to come back the next day. |
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Post by class411 on Mar 4, 2017 8:40:46 GMT
Why do they not have 'grabbers' for getting things off the track?
They could be entirely plastic so there would be no danger in using them.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Mar 4, 2017 9:19:18 GMT
Why do they not have 'grabbers' for getting things off the track? They could be entirely plastic so there would be no danger in using them. They do have grabbers but station staff do not have authority to "access the track", they have to get permission from the Line Controller. As a train driver I don't have authority to access the track unless its an emergency and I am unable to contact the Line Controller. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 4, 2017 9:50:17 GMT
Why do they not have 'grabbers' for getting things off the track? They could be entirely plastic so there would be no danger in using them. station staff do have these devices, however before they can use them they need to ensure that a train is not about to emerge from the tunnel. As alluded to above this is usually achieved by having a train stop partly in the platform and the staff then retrieve the item before the train advanced to the usual stopping point and opens doors etc... |
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Post by North End on Mar 4, 2017 10:04:34 GMT
Why do they not have 'grabbers' for getting things off the track? They could be entirely plastic so there would be no danger in using them. station staff do have these devices, however before they can use them they need to ensure that a train is not about to emerge from the tunnel. As alluded to above this is usually achieved by having a train stop partly in the platform and the staff then retrieve the item before the train advanced to the usual stopping point and opens doors etc... Personal view, but once you have protection in place it is easier to jump down and pick up the item, with the aid of a simple wooden paddle if necessary. I don't really see the point of the retrieval device. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 10:12:38 GMT
The safest procedure of all is to briefly stop using the phone when the train arrives (You know from the Train Indicator Board/can see the train's approach on many surface stations such as Ladbroke Grove and Goldhawk Road), place the phone in your pocket, and once safely on board the train, resume using the phone - the safest way - I do that myself, and wish that all passengers did the proper thing and pause the phone when boarding or alighting from the train!
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Post by philthetube on Mar 4, 2017 17:26:50 GMT
AIUI station staff do have these devices, however before they can use them they need to ensure that a train is not about to emerge from the tunnel. As alluded to above this is usually achieved by having a train stop partly in the platform and the staff then retrieve the item before the train advanced to the usual stopping point and opens doors etc... Personal view, but once you have protection in place it is easier to jump down and pick up the item, with the aid of a simple wooden paddle if necessary. I don't really see the point of the retrieval device. On sub surface lines it is quite a climb back to the platform from the track, for me to do it it would have to be swimming pool style, and some staff would not be able to make it at all. The original link is about a 20 year old woman who could not climb back to the platform. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 4, 2017 17:30:15 GMT
AIUI station staff do have these devices, however before they can use them they need to ensure that a train is not about to emerge from the tunnel. As alluded to above this is usually achieved by having a train stop partly in the platform and the staff then retrieve the item before the train advanced to the usual stopping point and opens doors etc... Personal view, but once you have protection in place it is easier to jump down and pick up the item, with the aid of a simple wooden paddle if necessary. I don't really see the point of the retrieval device. Maybe - except an awful lot of CSS2s, and a fair amount of CSS1s, are track restricted (but not platform restricted), and are thus unable to access the track in this way. Others aren't physically fit enough to 'jump' down from platform level - particularly on the SSL (I'm 24 and 6'3", and I struggle, and wouldn't want to attempt with juice on) - and most would be vary of going anywhere near the track with traction current on - and, unless it's an "emergency" (I'm being deliberately vague, but you should know what I mean) the chances of traction current being discharged for a track retrieval are practically zero. Accessing the track without informing the controller/signaller (delete as appropriate), even if there is protection in place "for a track retrieval" is extremely frowned upon. As you do rightly suggest, if an item is retrieved without protection being arranged, and that individual is caught, they'll very quickly find themselves at best on a disciplinary hearing, at worst down the job centre. It does happen, because I've seen it. The reality is that - while not perfect - the TRD does a good job for most retrievals, and vastly speeds up the process. But yes - the simple answer is just don't drop your phone...! (Although who remembers the episode of the Channel 5 programme where the driver dropped their keys onto the track...  |
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