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Post by ted672 on Mar 2, 2017 20:18:19 GMT
I've been a fairly regular user of the Central Line from Newbury Park westwards (and back) for some years and with all the recent fuss about wheelchairs on buses I began to notice the wide variation in distance between the car floor and platform at various stations. Aside from the difficulty that someone in a wheelchair would have in reaching the platform, (with a few exceptions as on car diagrams) I would be interested in the experts' views on whether it would be easier to adjust track level, platform edges or car floor height (or a combination of all three) to acheive level access at stations. This is, of course, purely hypothetical as I doubt the funding would be available in the foreseeable future.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 2, 2017 20:34:32 GMT
I've been a fairly regular user of the Central Line from Newbury Park westwards (and back) for some years and with all the recent fuss about wheelchairs on buses I began to notice the wide variation in distance between the car floor and platform at various stations. Aside from the difficulty that someone in a wheelchair would have in reaching the platform, (with a few exceptions as on car diagrams) I would be interested in the experts' views on whether it would be easier to adjust track level, platform edges or car floor height (or a combination of all three) to acheive level access at stations. This is, of course, purely hypothetical as I doubt the funding would be available in the foreseeable future. I think the track option would be the most difficult as it would necessitate line closures. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 2, 2017 22:20:34 GMT
I would be interested in the experts' views on whether it would be easier to adjust track level, platform edges or car floor height (or a combination of all three) to acheive level access at stations I think the track option would be the most difficult as it would necessitate line closures. So would tinkering with the platform heights that close to the track - and I think the variation in distance would make it difficult to make the car floor heights match at all stations. So tinkering with the track height is probably the least worst. |
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Post by superteacher on Mar 2, 2017 22:25:01 GMT
I think the track option would be the most difficult as it would necessitate line closures. So would tinkering with the platform heights that close to the track - and I think the variation in distance would make it difficult to make the car floor heights match at all stations. So tinkering with the track height is probably the least worst. You can alter platform heights wth less impact on the service than altering the track. But both options would be very difficulty and costly. |
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Post by ted672 on Mar 3, 2017 20:20:07 GMT
Thanks for the comments. I wouldn't be surprised if a future Mayor won on the promise of a fully accessible Underground!!! There won't be much else to promise after frozen fares and zero emissions!
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Post by Chris M on Mar 3, 2017 23:23:09 GMT
It would take a really crazy mayoral candidate to promise a fully accessible Underground within the next 20-30 years at least unless there is a massive increase in budget. Many of the stations where adding step-free access is simple and relatively cheap have been done, so increasingly the ones that are left are more expensive and/or difficult to provide. For example don't expect to see step-free access at Pimlico any time soon as the design of the station means that significant tunnelling is required to install a new lift from the platform to the ticket hall and a small amount of tricky excavation immediately not far below street level will be required for a lift to the (fairly steep) ramp to the street. |
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Post by trt on Mar 4, 2017 11:20:53 GMT
Altering platform height can be done very quickly and easily to provide level access to one carriage (have to pick the same one all along the line of course!) by using prefabricated ramps and tables. It can be done in a single night.
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 4, 2017 11:47:09 GMT
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Post by rsdworker on Mar 4, 2017 17:05:30 GMT
yeah the humps can be easy installed also some stations can be easily have lifts or ramps
take good look at example - finchley road station has stairs down so putting inline lift along the stairs its saves space for standard lift
while at deep lines where there is lifts exists - take good example - Brough station on northern line - which has step free to northbound so adding lift next to stairs will give a access
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Post by Chris M on Mar 4, 2017 17:29:16 GMT
yeah the humps can be easy installed also some stations can be easily have lifts or ramps take good look at example - finchley road station has stairs down so putting inline lift along the stairs its saves space for standard lift while at deep lines where there is lifts exists - take good example - Brough station on northern line - which has step free to northbound so adding lift next to stairs will give a access While inclined lifts next to stairs look a simple solution at many places remember that such a lift has a much lower capacity than the stairs it replaces. At some stairways that is not a significant problem, at others it's insurmountable |
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 4, 2017 18:41:46 GMT
yeah the humps can be easy installed also some stations can be easily have lifts or ramps take good look at example - finchley road station has stairs down so putting inline lift along the stairs its saves space for standard lift while at deep lines where there is lifts exists - take good example - Brough station on northern line - which has step free to northbound so adding lift next to stairs will give a access While inclined lifts next to stairs look a simple solution at many places remember that such a lift has a much lower capacity than the stairs it replaces. At some stairways that is not a significant problem, at others it's insurmountable The stairs at Finchley Road can hardly cope with existing passengers. There is not sufficient space for incline lifts. At Borough it appears the tracks are above each other so adding an extra lift is not an easy option. You can check it out here www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/07/12/3d-maps-of-every-underground-station-ab/ |
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Post by tjw on Mar 5, 2017 8:24:25 GMT
At Borough they can always get a Bus...to London bridge, it may be quicker.
I can't see we will ever have a fully accessible network, as the easier and cheaper locations are picked off, the cost fitting lifts to the remaining stations approach the cost of building a new line...
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 5, 2017 13:52:56 GMT
The nosing stones on the platforms at Aldgate are being adjusted this weekend to close the gaps between train and platform.
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