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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 15:03:42 GMT
Is it just a sense of nostalgia setting in? I seem to recall the 1959 stock, which spent some time on the Bakerloo in the Eighties, was in far better nick when it was withdrawn at forty years, than the 1972 tube stock at 40 years, which seems to be crumbling away, despite having a major refurbishment around 1990-1992 time. They really did build things better in the olden days (1959-1962), as those trains survived very well without needing major refurbishment at their half-life points. Am I missing something?
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Post by stapler on Feb 19, 2017 16:08:59 GMT
Or was it just that public tolerance of the old and shabby was greater back then? I was very disappointed when the R stock was replaced by the D78s, but it has to be admitted they had suffered from a lack of tlc...
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Post by North End on Feb 19, 2017 16:52:30 GMT
Is it just a sense of nostalgia setting in? I seem to recall the 1959 stock, which spent some time on the Bakerloo in the Eighties, was in far better nick when it was withdrawn at forty years, than the 1972 tube stock at 40 years, which seems to be crumbling away, despite having a major refurbishment around 1990-1992 time. They really did build things better in the olden days (1959-1962), as those trains survived very well without needing major refurbishment at their half-life points. Am I missing something? At the end of the day it's all down to maintenance. Some of the 59 and 72MkI stock were in a terrible state when withdrawn, and old hands on the Northern will tell you this extended to their mechanical condition too. |
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Post by metman on Feb 19, 2017 18:27:58 GMT
Yes I was lead to believe that the 1959 stock was knackered by the late nineties with the 1972 mk1s only 25 years old! Most drivers preferred to drive the 59s however!
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Post by superteacher on Feb 19, 2017 18:33:33 GMT
Yes I was lead to believe that the 1959 stock was knackered by the late nineties with the 1972 mk1s only 25 years old! Most drivers preferred to drive the 59s however! The 72's went first because there were fewer of them, and they didn't want three totally different types of stock on the line for any longer than was necessary. |
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Post by North End on Feb 19, 2017 19:10:58 GMT
Yes I was lead to believe that the 1959 stock was knackered by the late nineties with the 1972 mk1s only 25 years old! Most drivers preferred to drive the 59s however! I think the general consensus is the 59 stock was actually in a better state than the 72 stock by the end. One hears horror stories about the 72 stock, in particular braking performance was 'inconsistent' to say the least. As posted elsewhere, getting rid of the comparatively small number of 72 stock reduced the amount of training required - especially useful at a time of transition. |
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Post by seaeagle on Feb 21, 2017 17:30:26 GMT
Yes I was lead to believe that the 1959 stock was knackered by the late nineties with the 1972 mk1s only 25 years old! Most drivers preferred to drive the 59s however! Much prefered the 59's to the 72's on the Northern, the Rheo brake on the 72's was a nightmare on wet rails, as soon as you touched the brake the speedo would go down to zero and you'd have some lovely wheel flats! |
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Post by bigvern on Feb 22, 2017 13:43:16 GMT
Just to note all the 59 and 62 Tube stocks were overhauled at Acton Works in the early 80s, this involved replacement of rotten flooring and corroded floor plates, the 59s were indeed a basic simple train, so maintainers knew how to repair them as were similar to the 38ts from a traction and door controls, the 72s were more complex and lack of knowledge and training meant these were not as well looked after, although the Bakerloo 59s when arrived from the Northern line were in a right state as remember the day we looked at the first train at SPK.In my opinion the 38s were the best structurally.
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Post by fish7373 on Feb 27, 2017 18:48:34 GMT
The latter years of the 1938 t/stock trouble with loads of cracks in there trucks i had to deal with welding few up in my time at stonebridge park depot good old days.
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Post by philthetube on Feb 28, 2017 4:50:31 GMT
I think that the reason drivers didn't like the 72's on the northern was that there were no enough of them to give time to really get to know them, virtually all training was done on 59's with a couple of days tagged on at the end for 72's, similarly drivers did not spend much time driving them.
The 59 stock on the northern was dead on its feet by the end, it was unusual to go a week without taking one out of service for a defect. By contrast I have not taken an S stock out for the last year, and only had one changed over with a minor defect so that it could end the day at Neasden for repair.
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Post by towerman on Mar 3, 2017 12:53:55 GMT
Is it just a sense of nostalgia setting in? I seem to recall the 1959 stock, which spent some time on the Bakerloo in the Eighties, was in far better nick when it was withdrawn at forty years, than the 1972 tube stock at 40 years, which seems to be crumbling away, despite having a major refurbishment around 1990-1992 time. They really did build things better in the olden days (1959-1962), as those trains survived very well without needing major refurbishment at their half-life points. Am I missing something? The 72TS Mk1 didn't have a refurbishment,it was only the Mk2s on the Bakerloo Line. |
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Post by North End on Mar 3, 2017 18:00:46 GMT
Is it just a sense of nostalgia setting in? I seem to recall the 1959 stock, which spent some time on the Bakerloo in the Eighties, was in far better nick when it was withdrawn at forty years, than the 1972 tube stock at 40 years, which seems to be crumbling away, despite having a major refurbishment around 1990-1992 time. They really did build things better in the olden days (1959-1962), as those trains survived very well without needing major refurbishment at their half-life points. Am I missing something? The 72TS Mk1 didn't have a refurbishment,it was only the Mk2s on the Bakerloo Line. Being picky, three 72MkI stock trains *did* get refurbished, and ran on the Northern Line in refurbished condition for a time in the 1990s. They were subsequently transferred to the Bakerloo Line, minus two collision-damaged cars which were scrapped. These cars still retain some subtle features which give clues to both their origin, and the fact they were refurbished with the Northern Line in mind. These three trains all left the Northern Line some time before the 1995 stock appeared, can't recall what happened but they may have been replaced with 62 stock off the Central Line. Before this, one further train had already been transferred from the Northern to Bakerloo pre-refurbishment (now units 3264/3564). One DM car also got refurbished in the 2000s to replace a collision-damaged 67 stock car, and last but not least 4x surplus UNDM cars were experimentally refurbished in the early 1990s to test various finishes, but never saw service in this condition and eventually were scrapped. |
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Post by towerman on Mar 10, 2017 13:22:02 GMT
I was at Golders Green in the early 90s there were no refurbished 72TS units,there were three trains with different versions of the corporate livery running around but no internal refurbishment.Admittedly four trains were done at the same time as the Bakerloo refurbishment and became 3264-3564,3265-3565,3266-3566 &3267-3567,also when 3257 was scrapped after a derailment 3357,4357 &4257 were turned and renumbered 3299,4299 &4399 a spare UNDM was added in the middle and numbered 3499.
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