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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 11:52:12 GMT
Take a look at these, see if you have ever spotted these differences before... In every Central line carriage, there are a mixture of each type. On previous revisions, either one ICD has been used throughout, but the slightly wider panels simply having more expendable side borders, or (going back to the 90s/early 2000s) double-handed ICDs were used depending on the supposed direction of travel. www.dropbox.com/sh/o43ho4h9n9mkqfi/AAC_O_ahA_65u3G0rvtiN2-Na?dl=0 |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 19, 2017 12:24:03 GMT
Based on the images at the drop-box link, ICD here I guess stands for "in-car [line] diagram" - i.e. the diagram that shows all the stations on the line with zones and interchanges.
I don't know what "double-handed" means in this context though.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 19, 2017 12:29:55 GMT
Grrrr. I have lost count of the number of times the forum staff have asked members not to use abbreviations without explanations. It just makes for confusion. Like Chris, I too assume that ICD stands for in-car diagram. But I shouldn't have to assume. Once clear, I'll amend the thread title. Unless creamtfl can do it first?
EDIT: Done
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Post by programmes1 on Feb 19, 2017 13:08:26 GMT
I am almost sure that ICD does stand for in car diagrams, but on the TfL site HERE you will see CLD which is car line diagrams and covers a lot. |
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Post by phoenixcronin on Feb 19, 2017 13:14:41 GMT
There are two types of Line Diagram. One which is fitted above the saloon seats (i.e. between the doors) and one which is fitted above the doors. The latter is slightly shorter (because the space is smaller) and thus a few symbols and names have to be moved around to make it fit.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 19, 2017 13:26:37 GMT
I assume by "double handed" is meant that the diagrams on each side of the car are mirror images of each other, so that the west end of the diagram is at the west end of the car and vice versa. This has certainly been done on some stocks, and would have worked on the 1962 stock, as they never got turned round in service, but 1992 stock routinely goes round the loop so half of the time all the diagrams would be back to front.
Examples on the TfL site linked by the previous poster include Bakerloo 2006, Jubilee 1999-2006 and Victoria 1995-2006. They seem to have gone out of vogue about ten years ago, and now all diagrams show west at the left.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 19, 2017 14:18:10 GMT
I assume by "double handed" is meant that the diagrams on each side of the car are mirror images of each other, so that the west end of the diagram is at the west end of the car and vice versa. This has certainly been done on some stocks, and would have worked on the 1962 stock, as they never got turned round in service, but 1992 stock routinely goes round the loop so half of the time all the diagrams would be back to front. Examples on the TfL site linked by the previous poster include Bakerloo 2006, Jubilee 1999-2006 and Victoria 1995-2006. They seem to have gone out of vogue about ten years ago, and now all diagrams show west at the left. The 62 stock did get turned. Sometimes a train stabled in Hainault depot, and went out in service via the other exit. EDIT: There was a timetable (WTT 52) where some trains were booked to run right round the loop. This was back in the 1962 stock days. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 17:38:02 GMT
I was simply using terminology that has been used without explanation by other members on this board many many times, with anyone asking the meaning being chastised with a link to an FAQ page or another thread that mentions it, so I think the mob-rule vitriol is most uncalled for. This only reminds me why I left in the first place. Rule Book A for regulars, Rule Book B for everyone else.
I'm not going to get drawn into childish spats with people whose only way in life to feel important is to quibble with people about the differences between DMIs, PIDs, VEIDs, or what have you when it's perfectly clear what the poster's meaning is.
Hope you all feel really big. I won't be joining again. Sorry to have interrupted your party.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 19, 2017 17:46:58 GMT
I was simply using terminology that has been used without explanation by other members on this board many many times, with anyone asking the meaning being chastised with a link to an FAQ page or another thread that mentions it, so I think the mob-rule vitriol is most uncalled for. This only reminds me why I left in the first place. Rule Book A for regulars, Rule Book B for everyone else. I'm not going to get drawn into childish spats with people whose only way in life to feel important is to quibble with people about the differences between DMIs, PIDs, VEIDs, or what have you when it's perfectly clear what the poster's meaning is. Hope you all feel really big. I won't be joining again. Sorry to have interrupted your party.
There are no different "rule books" here. I would have no problem pulling up an admin for doing the same thing.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 19, 2017 19:26:04 GMT
The 62 stock did get turned. Sometimes a train stabled in Hainault depot, and went out in service via the other exit. EDIT: There was a timetable (WTT 52) where some trains were booked to run right round the loop. This was back in the 1962 stock days. Indeed there were - but did they go any further than Woodford? (unless they came from that direction in the first place) |
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Post by superteacher on Feb 19, 2017 19:29:19 GMT
The 62 stock did get turned. Sometimes a train stabled in Hainault depot, and went out in service via the other exit. EDIT: There was a timetable (WTT 52) where some trains were booked to run right round the loop. This was back in the 1962 stock days. Indeed there were - but did they go any further than Woodford? (unless they came from that direction in the first place) Yes. There were certainly trains that ran to Hainault via Woodford, after which they proceeded to Central London via Newbury Park. In WTT 53, the present arrangement of Woodford via Hainault trains began. |
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 19, 2017 19:46:19 GMT
handed line diagrams only worked on lines going north/south.
Tried it on D stock once but passenger reaction meant they were abandoned.
they were installed by craftsmen painters who knew what they were doing. Cheap labour nowadays would struggle to know their left from right.
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 19, 2017 20:05:09 GMT
handed line diagrams only worked on lines going north/south. Tried it on D stock once but passenger reaction meant they were abandoned. they were installed by craftsmen painters who knew what they were doing. Cheap labour nowadays would struggle to know their left from right. I suppose because people have planned their journey using a standard map, they have a mental image of the line which is similar to the map*; so if the stations on a line which runs horizontally on the map are shown with east at the left end it creates a little confusion as the data presented is different to what's expected. A case of "Does not compute". If you're given a blank piece of paper and a pen could members here swiftly and accurately draw a tube map with south at the top of the page? *I was going to use "...mental image of the line which mirrors the map..." but introducing mirrors is only going to confuse things! |
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Post by phoenixcronin on Feb 19, 2017 20:05:29 GMT
handed line diagrams only worked on lines going north/south. Tried it on D stock once but passenger reaction meant they were abandoned. they were installed by craftsmen painters who knew what they were doing. Cheap labour nowadays would struggle to know their left from right. As seen these days when any stickers need to be added. Wonky, wrong size, even sometimes on the wrong station! |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 19, 2017 22:32:03 GMT
handed line diagrams only worked on lines going north/south. Tried it on D stock once but passenger reaction meant they were abandoned. . Like this  It would have looked less weird if it had been flipped top/bottom |
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Post by brigham on Feb 20, 2017 8:35:54 GMT
Has anyone tried an animated car diagram, like a signalbox diagram, with an indicator to show where on the line you are?
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 20, 2017 9:38:15 GMT
Has anyone tried an animated car diagram, like a signalbox diagram, with an indicator to show where on the line you are? I saw a photo somewhere of a sample diagram but the paperwhite displays on the new Thameslink and Crossrail trains (plus Red Arrow buses) are the likely way ahead. The route diagram moves as the train progresses so that the rest of the route is all that remains. Other information can also be displayed. The Red Arrow buses show train departure times at whichever station they are headed for. |
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