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Post by programmes1 on Feb 16, 2017 16:00:15 GMT
Doing a bit of digging into coupling/uncoupling at Parsons Green.
Was all the coupling/uncoupling done on the east and was it always 2 cars involved, the period of time I really want is 1950-1960.
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Post by countryman on Feb 16, 2017 16:05:44 GMT
On the District up to R stock, it was not possible to turn cars or units. The two car units were always at the east end.
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Post by programmes1 on Feb 16, 2017 16:26:20 GMT
On the District up to R stock, it was not possible to turn cars or units. The two car units were always at the east end. Countryman thanks for that I was not aware of which way round the trains/units were. I asked because there was two calling on signals one for each direction WF9 WB & WF37 EB. Was there any trains which uncoupled on the west as you say the two car being at the east end. |
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Post by countryman on Feb 16, 2017 17:04:31 GMT
No, the trains always ran as a six car train with a 4 car unit to the weat, and a 2 car unit to the east. Depending on the stock there may not have been a cab between the unis. When they needed an eight car train a second 2 car unit was coupled at the east end. It was not possible to couple a 2 car unit at the weat end for two reasons. Forstly the west end was not fitted with auto couplers, and also, even if that were possible, the control wiring was handed so you could only couple A cars to D cars. Turning a two car unit would have meant coupling A to A or D to D. Later stocks do not have this issue as they can be coupled A to A or D to D, but this, as far as I know, was after this kind of uncoupling ceased.
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Post by programmes1 on Feb 16, 2017 17:21:05 GMT
No, the trains always ran as a six car train with a 4 car unit to the weat, and a 2 car unit to the east. Depending on the stock there may not have been a cab between the unis. When they needed an eight car train a second 2 car unit was coupled at the east end. It was not possible to couple a 2 car unit at the weat end for two reasons. Forstly the west end was not fitted with auto couplers, and also, even if that were possible, the control wiring was handed so you could only couple A cars to D cars. Turning a two car unit would have meant coupling A to A or D to D. Later stocks do not have this issue as they can be coupled A to A or D to D, but this, as far as I know, was after this kind of uncoupling ceased. I see thanks for that explanation on the stock and A-D etc most interesting, would a eight car ever had two cars taken off? Now if it was only the east that coupling/uncoupling took place why did they have a calling on signal for the west. |
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Post by countryman on Feb 16, 2017 18:00:45 GMT
No, the trains always ran as a six car train with a 4 car unit to the weat, and a 2 car unit to the east. Depending on the stock there may not have been a cab between the unis. When they needed an eight car train a second 2 car unit was coupled at the east end. It was not possible to couple a 2 car unit at the weat end for two reasons. Forstly the west end was not fitted with auto couplers, and also, even if that were possible, the control wiring was handed so you could only couple A cars to D cars. Turning a two car unit would have meant coupling A to A or D to D. Later stocks do not have this issue as they can be coupled A to A or D to D, but this, as far as I know, was after this kind of uncoupling ceased. I see thanks for that explanation on the stock and A-D etc most interesting, would a eight car ever had two cars taken off? Now if it was only the east that coupling/uncoupling took place why did they have a calling on signal for the west. They routinely coupled and uncoupled for rush hour services. I remember watching it with my grandfather at Ealing Broadway. Coupling and uncoupling was carried out in the platform, and there was no cab at the east end. Don't know whether they drove using a panel in the second car. |
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Post by programmes1 on Feb 16, 2017 19:42:33 GMT
I see thanks for that explanation on the stock and A-D etc most interesting, would a eight car ever had two cars taken off? Now if it was only the east that coupling/uncoupling took place why did they have a calling on signal for the west. They routinely coupled and uncoupled for rush hour services. I remember watching it with my grandfather at Ealing Broadway. Coupling and uncoupling was carried out in the platform, and there was no cab at the east end. Don't know whether they drove using a panel in the second car. I watched coupling/uncoupling at a number of places the last being Uxbridge and it was quite enjoyable. |
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Post by Tom on Feb 16, 2017 21:59:44 GMT
I asked because there was two calling on signals one for each direction WF9 WB & WF37 EB. Was there any trains which uncoupled on the west as you say the two car being at the east end. Calling-on signal WF9 was abolished on resignalling in 1960. Its identity was reused as the shunt signal at the West End of the WB platform. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 16, 2017 22:55:51 GMT
R stock was single-ended, with 2-car east end units and 4-car west end units (the latter reformed in 1971 to be either 3- or 5-car, when uncoupling was abolished and all trains ran as 7-car all day). The cabbed end of the west end units did not have autocouplers but the east end units did, so you could couple two 2-car units together. The only photo I have seen of a unit being shunted showed it being driven from the cab, with a second crewman acting as lookout. (Can't find it now)
As far as I am aware CO/CP stock was made up of 2 and 3 car double-ended units in various combinations. e.g 3+3, 2+3+3, 2+3+2. Q stock was normally made up into 4-car units. If uncoupling was done between units, both halves could operate independently as they were all double ended.
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Post by DWS on Feb 16, 2017 23:04:24 GMT
The other place on the District Line uncoupling and coupling up took place was Upminster , but this was done in the depot not the platforms
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Post by countryman on Feb 17, 2017 7:41:10 GMT
R stock was single-ended, with 2-car east end units and 4-car west end units (the latter reformed in 1971 to be either 3- or 5-car, when uncoupling was abolished and all trains ran as 7-car all day). If the R stock was reformed into 3 or 5 car units, how did they run 7 car trains? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Feb 17, 2017 8:38:18 GMT
R stock was single-ended, with 2-car east end units and 4-car west end units (the latter reformed in 1971 to be either 3- or 5-car, when uncoupling was abolished and all trains ran as 7-car all day). If the R stock was reformed into 3 or 5 car units, how did they run 7 car trains? west facing units were reformed to 3 or 5-cars, east facing remained 2-car: DM-NDM-NDM+NDM-DM+NDM-DM or DM-NDM-NDM-NDM-NDM+NDM-DM |
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Post by roythebus on Feb 18, 2017 0:13:40 GMT
I was a guard at PG 1970-73, and yes, all uncoupling and coupling was done on the eastbound. Uncoupling could be and was done on the w/b sometimes if my memory serves me correctly. On the e/b there were 2 short sidings leading towards the platform from the 2 long e/b sidings (again I forget the road numbers). There was also a 2 car siding on the e'b siding towards Fulham Broadway. there were 2 depot crews, 1 each early and late turn to do the coupling/uncoupling.
It was the norm for R stock to couple, but occasionally a Q would couple and the depot crew cursed these because they got their hands dirty. It was very rare for a CP to couple there, they usually ran in 6 or 8 cars only.
From memory there was space for 5 2 car units at PG.
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