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Post by banana99 on Feb 6, 2017 0:23:17 GMT
<<rincew1nd: Threads split>>Southern's ceiling panel failure shows how and why full automation and destaffing is wrong, everywhere. No first aiders! And I call rollocks to your 100% safe; nothing is 100% safe. Are you claiming that there were no First Aiders on a train carrying 1,000 passengers? If so, statistically, I reckon you would be incorrect.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 6, 2017 7:54:49 GMT
Southern's ceiling panel failure shows how and why full automation and destaffing is wrong, everywhere. No first aiders! And I call rollocks to your 100% safe; nothing is 100% safe. Are you claiming that there were no First Aiders on a train carrying 1,000 passengers? If so, statistically, I reckon you would be incorrect. I'm assuming he was referring to first aiders employed by the company. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 6, 2017 8:12:10 GMT
Indeed... and speaking as an LU first aider I've become very dubious of members of the public offering first aid assistance. In the vast majority of instances they've been more of a hinderance than a help, and I've asked a great many to leave the scene.
That said, however, not all LU staff are trained first aiders anyway (increasingly, those who are are either primarily for staff or only to a basic, emergency level, and lacking confidence to put into practice), so this argument doesn't really hold weight with regards to the driverless trains scenario.
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Post by trt on Feb 6, 2017 10:53:29 GMT
Gosh! That was something I posted a while ago. Yes, I was referring to official, company employees who are first aiders with access to any first aid supplies carried on board. Presuming there are some on board, I mean it would depend on the needs assessment, but I expect they would have some given that at least the driver is effectively a long distance, lone worker.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Feb 6, 2017 15:10:32 GMT
Gosh! That was something I posted a while ago. Yes, I was referring to official, company employees who are first aiders with access to any first aid supplies carried on board. Presuming there are some on board, I mean it would depend on the needs assessment, but I expect they would have some given that at least the driver is effectively a long distance, lone worker. There's no first aid equipment on Central Line trains and as far as I'm aware its the same on other lines. The general rule is that if drivers need assistance our priority is to get the train to the next station so that staff there can deal with it. Of course that was back when we could be reasonably sure that there would be staff at a station, that isn't guaranteed these days thanks to Fit for the Future. There was a recent incident where a train driver asked Wood Lane to get station staff to assist with a passenger problem on their train (not medical in this case) only to be told that there was no one there and they'd have to carry on to the next station. |
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 6, 2017 15:51:59 GMT
In the past all Station Supervisors were trained first aiders.
This has not been the case for many years.
When a colleague injured his hand at Liverpool Street, a City Of London policeman was first responder followed by the helicopter team from Royal London hospital (fog prevented flying that day).
On a repeat First Aid course recently was reminded to call 999. Paramedics respond more quickly and have proper kit.
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Are you claiming that there were no First Aiders on a train carrying 1,000 passengers? If so, statistically, I reckon you would be incorrect.
