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Post by melikepie on Jan 11, 2017 13:38:10 GMT
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Post by Antje on Jan 11, 2017 19:42:58 GMT
Full-depth windows are getting boring - they seem to appear with nearly every new development that I have seen to date.
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Post by theblackferret on Jan 11, 2017 19:57:26 GMT
Full-depth windows are getting boring - they seem to appear with nearly every new development that I have seen to date. Also not a strong selling-point to anyone with vertigo. Which I'm sure they took into account; I do like the generic cut-out peeps though-there's even a punk with Mohican haircut to show you how trendy it all is. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 11, 2017 20:20:37 GMT
There was an interesting Twitter discussion before Christmas on the theme of "Render vs Reality", where artists impressions of buildings from the planning stage were compared with what was actually built. Needless to say few of the renders looked like what ended up being built!
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Post by i3lu on Jan 11, 2017 20:58:30 GMT
I received this morning an email from TfL and they also said that will be some public exhibitions about development.
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Post by trt on Jan 12, 2017 11:02:37 GMT
There was an interesting Twitter discussion before Christmas on the theme of "Render vs Reality", where artists impressions of buildings from the planning stage were compared with what was actually built. Needless to say few of the renders looked like what ended up being built! Regis at 59, Clarendon Road, Watford is the only building I've ever seen that actually looks in real life what it probably did in the artist's impression. |
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Post by melikepie on Jun 22, 2017 22:21:58 GMT
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Post by stuartroy on Jun 23, 2017 7:42:39 GMT
Interesting reading. Seems a generally good proposal in terms of minimising disruption to the existing station while works are carried out. It's not clear how passenger flows will be managed - "no entry" passages and a one-way system for people to ignore, or just a general free-for-all?
The suggestion I've added to the consultation is to consider having a set of escalators which go direct to the southbound platform level. Having to cross paths with northbound passengers at the intermediate level just seems like a recipe for further congestion.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 23, 2017 11:48:04 GMT
The general idea seems to be that as the majority (60-70%) of passengers head north on exiting the station that these people will use the new entrance and signage will no doubt encourage this. The existing entrance should be able to cope with 30% of the traffic without a problem, so I don't really see why there would need to be a one-way system between them. Where you have parallel passages between concourse and platform, it's not uncommon for one to be marked as entry only and the other exit only, but this is not something that needs to be established at this stage.
As for the arrangement at the bottom of the escalators, I think the only potential for crossing streams of passengers there is between people entering the station heading for southbound services and people who arrived on the northbound High Barnet branch wanting to exit the station (assuming the escalators run on the left). This can easily be avoided by directing the exiting passengers south of the pit to the southbound, which is just a matter of signage.
There might also be conflict between those passengers entering the station and heading for the northbound Edgware branch and those changing from the northbound Edgware branch to the northbound High Barnet branch, but other than building a link between the patforms that doesn't connect with the passage from the entrance (not possible without a change of level) I don't see that this can be avoided other than by signed routes.
There will though, be conflict between those arriving by lift and those heading from the platforms to the escalators. Beyond having pairs of escalators either side of the lift shaft (which would require a significant redesign, a fourth escalator, and may or may not be technically feasible) I can't see a way around that.
Passengers switching from northbound to southbound or vice versa will continue to use the existing passageways, which should be much less busy.
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Post by rsdworker on Jun 23, 2017 14:05:07 GMT
also 2 lifts isnt enough for busy station - 4 express lifts would be ideal - like one found in NYC station at Lexington Av / 63 - which has 4 large elevators serving both levels - but more simllar idea for automatic lifts at heathrow temerial 5 which has 4 lifts there serving three levels
but if 2 elevators served both elevels could be busy because there no direct escalator down to lower level
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Post by Chris M on Jun 23, 2017 15:51:53 GMT
There are two lifts and three escalators, which should be enough for the capacity. Both lifts will serve all three levels. The automatic lifts at Heathrow T5 work because people use them only for tube arrivals to airport departures, and for airport arrivals to tube departures (tube arrivals to airport arrivals use a different route iirc) and the four lifts are because the significant majority of passengers using them are expected to be travelling with heavy or bulky luggage. At Camden only a minority of people will be using the lifts and they will be being used for all combinations of journeys between the three levels.
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Post by Chris M on Jul 6, 2017 19:21:44 GMT
I was by chance at T5 yesterday, and I was right about tube arrivals to airport arrivals using a different route - able bodied passengers use escalators direct to the arrivals level (up the equivalent of two floors). Those heading to airport departures get the lift the equivalent of 5 floors up. The lift then goes down three floors to arrivals and two more floors to the tube. This is inconvenient for a disabled person who wants to go from the tube to arrivals or from arrivals to departures (the latter is uncommon for other than airport staff) but not too bad. At Camden, the levels could be called 0 (ground), -7 and -8 (roughly, based on there being 96 steps between the higher concourse level and ticket hall), so anyone wanting to interchange between the two lower levels (a very common thing to want to do) would go much further out of their way - when they will typically have less time available than they would at an airport.
With just one train arriving at any one time at Heathrow T5 the system can know when lifts will be needed on that level and move empty ones there. At Camden with two trains per level and much shorter, irregular* intervals between them this would not be possible to realistically do. Automatic lifts work very well for the environment at Heathrow, but would not work at all for the very different environment at Camden.
*There is a minimum time between consecutive arrivals into the same platform, but all platforms are essentially independent of one another.
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Post by melikepie on Mar 24, 2018 12:50:44 GMT
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Post by alicarr on Apr 2, 2018 7:51:46 GMT
It's interesting how little they say about splitting the Northern line - only that "there are currently no plans to split the Northern line into two different lines." In this document from 2015 TfL talk of plans to "deliver a fully separated Northern line offering between 33 and 36tph by April 2023" - but dependent on the Camden Town upgrade. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 2, 2018 10:20:26 GMT
It's interesting how little they say about splitting the Northern line - only that "there are currently no plans to split the Northern line into two different lines." In this document from 2015 TfL talk of plans to "deliver a fully separated Northern line offering between 33 and 36tph by April 2023" - but dependent on the Camden Town upgrade. No great shock when TfL have cancelled the next stage of the major line upgrade and procurement of the extra trains / depot works / extra sidings. You can't split the service without the extra infrastructure and rolling stock. It will be at least a decade, probably longer, before those ideas return - assuming Camden Town station is redeveloped. |
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