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Post by fish7373 on Dec 9, 2016 1:20:22 GMT
515M 1151 West Ruislip L.U.L. Depot to Eastleigh Arlington (Zg)
Runs on 8th December 2016
I see that the 4 TC has gone to Arlington works with the class 20 20142 . FISH7373 81C NFP
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Post by MoreToJack on Dec 9, 2016 1:43:38 GMT
This is correct. The reason why is a closely guarded secret - and no, I'm not privy to why.
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Post by antharro on Dec 9, 2016 1:57:13 GMT
Nice for the TC to be back on its "home patch" again.
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Post by tjw on Dec 9, 2016 10:47:39 GMT
Have the collision pillars been replaced? are they still attached to the underframe? these problems catch all Mk1 stock eventually.
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 9, 2016 14:09:09 GMT
This is correct. The reason why is a closely guarded secret - and no, I'm not privy to why. Hi not much of a secret photos on Flickr going past hanwell and times on real train times.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 9, 2016 14:33:40 GMT
I think the secret is not the fact that the unit is going to Eastleigh, but what will happen there!
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 9, 2016 15:07:32 GMT
I think the secret is not the fact that the unit is going to Eastleigh, but what will happen there! I will see if i can find out then.
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Post by a60 on Dec 9, 2016 15:32:53 GMT
They aren't going to scrap it, are they?
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Post by Chris M on Dec 9, 2016 15:35:50 GMT
I would hope that if they were thinking of scrapping it they would at least offer preservation groups the chance of saving it first.
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Post by fish7373 on Dec 9, 2016 16:00:05 GMT
They aren't going to scrap it, are they? No not for scraping for a paint job and some other work to the unit, I will guess Carl Watson web will have photos not to long.
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 9, 2016 18:21:25 GMT
They aren't going to scrap it, are they? No not for scraping for a paint job and some other work to the unit, I will guess Carl Watson web will have photos not to long. The existing livery is an allover vinyl.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 10, 2016 8:55:12 GMT
No not for scraping: for a paint job . The existing livery is an allover vinyl. Well, they may be scraping it to get the old vinyl off. But not for scrapping!
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Post by miff on Dec 10, 2016 8:56:53 GMT
I hope they get rid of that horrible fake wood vinyl!
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Post by christopher125 on Dec 12, 2016 1:29:51 GMT
According to comments elsewhere she's receiving CDL (central door locking), hopefully that isn't a new requirement for LU operations but some kind of mainline use? Also been suggested she'll return with the inspection saloon.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 12, 2016 8:52:53 GMT
"she"? It's a set of blooming carriages!
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Post by tjw on Dec 12, 2016 20:30:54 GMT
"she"? It's a set of blooming carriages! The old hands in every Carriage and Wagon dept that I have met always called the Carriages girls / she / her... Including trimmers that started work for the Southern Railway in 1930!
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Post by miff on Feb 15, 2017 0:15:33 GMT
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Post by domh245 on Feb 15, 2017 8:05:57 GMT
I can't be the only person to have misread that as scrapped?
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Post by metman on Feb 15, 2017 9:04:18 GMT
It now begs the question what livery will it return in?
The previous maroon? 1950s dreadnought brown or its original BR blue?
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 15, 2017 11:32:06 GMT
that's not a scraper in the photo - it's heating up the vinyl to make it easier to remove
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Post by brigham on Feb 15, 2017 12:56:33 GMT
It now begs the question what livery will it return in? The previous maroon? 1950s dreadnought brown or its original BR blue? Are these BR Mk.1s? I'm not sure they would originally have been blue.
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Post by johnb2 on Feb 15, 2017 13:06:17 GMT
The 4TCs were largely adaptions and modifications to existing Mk1s. However when they were rebuilt and re-appeared as 4TCs they were initially in all blue as were the 4REPs which pushed/pulled them.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 15, 2017 14:08:09 GMT
A 4TC in original condition in 1966 (By "original" I mean 'as converted from hauled stock') (Note that most photos of a blue 4TC are of a preserved one - identifiable by the hi-viz headlamp in the gangway door - but this one is the real deal).
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Post by rincew1nd on Feb 15, 2017 16:25:57 GMT
Is that buckeye coupler painted blue?
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Post by brigham on Feb 16, 2017 18:58:53 GMT
So, these are what we in NER territory would call a 'control set'; a fixed rake of non-powered carriages wired for use with electric stock. Ours didn't have driving positions; we used a Motor Luggage Van at each end. The MET had something similar, made with Dreadnoughts, I seem to remember.
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Post by countryman on Feb 16, 2017 19:26:17 GMT
The 4TCs were provided for the Waterloo to Weymouth line, which was elecrified only as far as Bournemouth. When the train left Waterloo it consisted of 2 x 4TC, and pushed by a 4REP unit. These units looked like the 4BEP and $CEP sets operating to Brighton, but whereas on each of these there was only one powered car in the middle of the set, the REPs had 2 power cars, one at each end. As on leaving Waterloo the power was at the back, there was a lot of slack in the couplings and if travelling in the front car, it could be a rough start. The trains travelled to Bournemouth, where a class 33 was attached at the Weymouth end, and either one or two TC sets were pulled to Weymouth. On return the TC or TCs were propelled by the 33 to Bournemouth, where they were coupled up behind the REP to travel to Bournemouth. The most interesting period was in the early nineties, when the line was elecrified to Weymouth and the REPs were slowly taken out of service to have their electics rebuilt into the class 442s. One REP provided tthe motors for 2 442s. Whilst this was going on the variety of trains was incredible.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 16, 2017 23:09:42 GMT
So, these are what we in NER territory would call a 'control set'; a fixed rake of non-powered carriages wired for use with electric stock. Ours didn't have driving positions; we used a Motor Luggage Van at each end. The MET had something similar, made with Dreadnoughts, I seem to remember. The Southern has had cabless trailer sets too - firstly with the 2-coach trailer sets that used to be marshalled between two 3SUBs - later reformed for operational convenience to make two 4SUB sets. - secondly a batch of cabless "TLVs" (converted general utility vans) wired to work with EP stock, generally used with an MLV and a 12CEP formation on boat trains. The Southern's TOPs classification was 499 - the first "9" indicating a trailer set (cf 491 as the original classification of the TCs), and the second "9" indiocating non-passenger stock (hence 419 for the MLVs and 489 for the Gatwick Express Luggage vans (GLV)) - thirdly, the first Gatwick Express passenger stock, which was essentially rewired Mark 2 hauled stock, marshalled between the aforementioned GLVs and a Class 73 electrodiesel.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 16, 2017 23:21:46 GMT
The 4TCs were provided for the Waterloo to Weymouth line, which was elecrified only as far as Bournemouth. When the train left Waterloo it consisted of 2 x 4TC, and pushed by a 4REP unit. In wintry conditions they were reformed to have the REP in the middle, thus ensuring that there were sixteen axles clearing the track ahead of the powered wheels whichever way the train was going. It did, however, mean that only one TC unit could continue to Weymouth, but that was normal in the winter months anyway - partly lack of demand, but also because the extra power needed to heat the train would make eight coaches a bit of a strain for a 33 on the hill out of Weymouth. One curious formation in the early 80s was a twice daily service train that divided at Basingstoke for Salisbury and Southampton. The rear portion was a pair of VEP emus. The front portion was a class 33 diesel + TC. The train would leave Waterloo with both portions under power, controlled from the cab of the 33. A true hybrid. Careful handling was needed on starting as a diesel takes time to get moving as the engine revs rise, whereas a straight electric starts to move as soon as power is applied. The result could be a sharp jolt as the electric units at the rear started to move before the diesel at the front.
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Post by westville13 on Feb 17, 2017 0:49:24 GMT
Perhaps not quite relevant here but I remember seeing (at Basingstoke I think)double headed Class 73s hauling eight coaches (2x4TC?) possibly at the time when the 4REPs were being withdrawn. Am I suffering from senile fantasy? Or were such trains ever operated?
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Post by countryman on Feb 17, 2017 7:37:08 GMT
Perhaps not quite relevant here but I remember seeing (at Basingstoke I think)double headed Class 73s hauling eight coaches (2x4TC?) possibly at the time when the 4REPs were being withdrawn. Am I suffering from senile fantasy? Or were such trains ever operated? No, this is not fantasy, Many combinations were used, and Class 73s were certainly used to push and pull TCs to and from Bournemouth.
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