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Post by class411 on Dec 2, 2016 14:31:03 GMT
Reading in another thread about the longevity of the A-Stock, I wondered if anyone knows what the record is for stock in normal passenger (as opposed to enthusiast run) service in the UK.
I know the 4-CEP or class 411 (yes), ran, as a class, for 50 years (1956 to 2005 - just less than the A Stock), which is quite a life - and they were comfortable and reliable right up to the end.
Does anyone know what the record is?
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Post by neilw on Dec 2, 2016 15:08:47 GMT
38TS still running on IOW?
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 2, 2016 15:13:19 GMT
Reading in another thread about the longevity of the A-Stock, I wondered if anyone knows what the record is for stock in normal passenger (as opposed to enthusiast run) service in the UK. I know the 4-CEP or class 411 (yes), ran, as a class, for 50 years (1956 to 2005 - just less than the A Stock), which is quite a life - and they were comfortable and reliable right up to the end. Does anyone know what the record is? Don't know what the record is, but the 1938 stock must be up there, and still running on the IOW |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 2, 2016 15:16:19 GMT
Some 4EPB vehicles started out in 4SUBs. I don't know if any of the earliest vehicles made it through to the very end in 1995, but they would have been 54 years old if they did. And some of them were built on even older underframes.
The Vale of Rheidol locomotive No 9, which remained in BR service until the line was privatised in 1989, was officially one of the original two built for the opening of the line in 1902, which would have made it 87 years old. But in fact its "rebuilding" in 1924 was an accounting fiction - the numberplate (which at the time was GWR 1213) essentially had a brand new locomotive fitted to it. The number was changed to "9" in 1946.
BR inherited a handful of octogenarian (1860s) steam locomotives, and one or two of them may have been pressed into passenger service from time to time.
The record for passenger carrying stock, as distinct from mere haulage, must surely be the Isle of Wight units, which are now nearly 80 years old.
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Post by stapler on Dec 2, 2016 15:25:24 GMT
Didn't the Stroudley A1 class of c1875 operate the Hayling Island branch till it closed in the 1960s?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 2, 2016 15:45:38 GMT
Didn't the Stroudley A1 class of c1875 operate the Hayling Island branch till it closed in the 1960s? Built between 1872 and 1880. "Poplar" and "Fenchurch", two of the original batch (both now preserved) , had official withdrawal dates in late 1963 and of January 1964 respectively, so 91 years old. |
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Post by philthetube on Dec 3, 2016 8:30:34 GMT
Snowdon Mountain Railway? I uses enthusiasts but is a business
1896 to present day.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 3, 2016 13:05:24 GMT
The Talyllyn Railway Co still operates trains with its original locomotives and stock, best 1865 with no break of service. One could also argue that as the world's first preserved railway they have also operated the same stock for the longest period in preservation - the original 1865 stock!
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Post by grahamhewett on Dec 4, 2016 14:44:59 GMT
Amongst non-preserved railways, some of the Chesham Ashbury stock ran from 1898 to 1960. BRB inherited a fair number of locos dating from around 1858-1869, some of which made it into the early '50s, so achieving 90+ years in some cases; the longest lived being an ex-NLR crane tank of 1858 which lasted 93 years. The biscuit might, however, if we allow overseas railways, be given to a loco of the Graz-Koeflacher Bahn in Austria which has been in continuous service since 1860...
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Post by philthetube on Dec 4, 2016 16:39:57 GMT
Reading in another thread about the longevity of the A-Stock, I wondered if anyone knows what the record is for stock in normal passenger (as opposed to enthusiast run) service in the UK. I know the 4-CEP or class 411 (yes), ran, as a class, for 50 years (1956 to 2005 - just less than the A Stock), which is quite a life - and they were comfortable and reliable right up to the end. Does anyone know what the record is? The 72 stock on the Bakerloo will outlast A stock and possibly 73 on the picc will as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 18:16:26 GMT
It is not UK (but British Isles) but I have to mention the Manx Electric Railway.
The youngest power cars in passenger service were built in 1906 and the oldest in 1893.
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 6, 2016 12:44:59 GMT
It is not UK (but British Isles) but I have to mention the Manx Electric Railway. The youngest power cars in passenger service were built in 1906 and the oldest in 1893. Do not forget the steam railway which is older also the car 22 was rebuilt |
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Post by silenthunter on Dec 6, 2016 17:26:45 GMT
There are 1920s built trams in use in Blackpool.
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Post by grahamhewett on Dec 7, 2016 8:41:14 GMT
silenthunter - but not, alas, in daily frontline service. I see that the Great Orme Tramway still claims to have its original 1902 stock in daily use (well, being a funicular, they haven't much choice, have they?); it may be that some of the other clifflifts around the UK also still have quite elderly stock (eg Lynton-Lynmouth looked quite antique when I used them in 2013, but may be replicas)
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Post by Chris M on Dec 7, 2016 10:44:35 GMT
I know the Bridgnorth Cliff Railway cars were replaced in the 1950s, but the Lyton an Lynmouth I think are original.
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Post by grahamhewett on Dec 7, 2016 13:46:24 GMT
In the same vein, I see that Volk's Electric Railway still uses 2 cars from 1892 (as well as some slightly younger ones)
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Post by snoggle on Dec 7, 2016 19:40:00 GMT
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Post by theblackferret on Dec 8, 2016 16:10:46 GMT
silenthunter - but not, alas, in daily frontline service. I see that the Great Orme Tramway still claims to have its original 1902 stock in daily use (well, being a funicular, they haven't much choice, have they?); it may be that some of the other clifflifts around the UK also still have quite elderly stock (eg Lynton-Lynmouth looked quite antique when I used them in 2013, but may be replicas) Aberystwyth still has original 1895 car frames, but some have been rebodied; Hastings' East Cliff lift is still 1891 original car bodies, only the seating has been altered. On the loco front, 2 no. Sharp Stewart 0-6-0T built for the M & GN joint in 1874 lasted until 1948, 2 others having been scrapped a year earlier. The S & DJ managed a mere 69 years with one of their 0-4-4T Avonsides (1877-1946)-mere parvenus! |
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