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Post by malcolmffc on Nov 27, 2016 15:41:37 GMT
Is there any word on when the step free access at TCR will be complete? I believe it was supposed to be by September but that has clearly slipped...
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 10, 2016 0:41:30 GMT
recent photos on twitter by station master shows the lifts nearly ready - one to northern line and other one is at exit 2 or 3??
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Post by snoggle on Dec 22, 2016 15:53:05 GMT
Diamond Geezer has tweeted that the new pedestrian exits to New Oxford St are now open. However the lift to street level is shown as barriered off.
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 23, 2016 4:52:44 GMT
Diamond Geezer has tweeted that the new pedestrian exits to New Oxford St are now open. However the lift to street level is shown as barriered off. i believe its nearly ready as previous tweet by station master showing the lifts are not ready but however they are barrierred off awaiting be completed
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Post by dmncf on Dec 23, 2016 20:11:02 GMT
Today I asked two station staff member at Tottenham Court Road Station when the lifts would be in service, but they said they didn't know.
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Post by malcolmffc on Jan 6, 2017 19:25:14 GMT
Saw a sign in TCR today saying "We are working as hard as we can to deliver step free access at TCR by early 2017". Sounds ominously similar to the signs at Vauxhall which was delivered a year late!
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Post by malcolmffc on Feb 9, 2017 15:31:10 GMT
As of this morning, the lifts are now in service and the station is step-free.
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Post by rsdworker on Feb 10, 2017 13:34:05 GMT
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Post by will on Feb 10, 2017 15:35:18 GMT
Its such a shame that the step free access for the foreseeable future will for the most part be pretty useless. At the moment only Greenford to the west is step free and Stratford, Roding Valley, Hainault and Epping in the east. For the Northern line on the Edgware to Kennington line its only Golders Green, Hendon Central and Edgeware that have step free access.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 10, 2017 15:45:38 GMT
You have to start somewhere, and this does open a large area of the west end. The station also now allows step-free interchange between the Central and Northern, and there are other step-free interchanges not shown on the map (e.g. same-direction changes at Mile End, Kennington and Stockwell). In the near future, the Battersea extension and Crossrail (certainly east of Ealing) will be entirely step free. Don't forget also that there are people who can manage one or two steps but not a full flight of stairs who now also have more journey opportunities.
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Post by malcolmffc on Feb 12, 2017 11:35:08 GMT
What I find odd is that there are seemingly no plans to add SFA at major hubs like Waterloo, Liverpool St and Euston (perhaps the latter will get it as part of XR2/HS2)
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Post by londoner on Feb 12, 2017 15:05:49 GMT
What I find odd is that there are seemingly no plans to add SFA at major hubs like Waterloo, Liverpool St and Euston (perhaps the latter will get it as part of XR2/HS2) Well Euston will get some sort of upgrade for HS2 and Crossrail 2, that must be a certainty. Regarding Waterloo and Liverpool Street, I would imagine it really depends on whether funds are available and whether its practical, with existing technology, to do it too.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 13, 2017 0:30:24 GMT
Liverpool Street subsurface already has step-free access eastbound. Looking at the axonometric diagram, access from the ticket hall to the westbound platform would be tricky to add without removing capacity from the existing routes. A new overbridge west of the existing one may be possible but would not be cheap. A lift from the peak hours Central Line ticket hall to the Central line platforms would require a new shaft and new cross-passage, which would be expensive but technically probably not too challenging. Access from the ticket hall to concourse would almost certainly require closing one of Network Rail's retail units, but if that were acceptable I expect a lift would be relatively trivial in practical terms. Step-free access from the Central line to the main ticket hall would be likely more expensive requiring a new passage at platform level. Given that Crossrail will be arriving at Liverpool Street before any of this could be built, and will allow step-free access to many of the same destinations (directly and via changes) as lifts to the existing lines would I don't think that it would be a good use of the limited pot to prioritise Liverpool Street at this time. Waterloo has step-free access to the Jubilee line, and from there you can get to the southbound Bakerloo line step free - although as neither Lambeth North nor Elephant and Castle presently offer step-free access the utility of this is limited. Adding step-free access from the interchange level to the northbound Bakerloo line should not be excessively difficult by either ramp or shallow lift. A single lift could provide access from this level to the Northern line platforms, but it could only be small and installing and maintaining a lift in such tight confines may be challenging, but not outside the realms of possibility. The Shell Centre entrance is being rebuilt at the moment - I don't know if the plan is to install a lift here at the same time, but it would require a new passage (presumably at low level) or an inclined lift. Not cheap. Access from the interchange level to the main ticket office at Waterloo would require either an inclined lift (in a new or extended shaft if you don't want to remove existing capacity) or a significant length passage at low level to a vertical lift - significantly pricey. The axonometric diagram doesn't indicate how the ticket hall level interfaces with the NR concourse, but I expect a lift between them would be trivial compared to the costs of getting from the ticket hall to platforms. Adding the step-free access to the Northern and Bakerloo lines would be expensive but would bring new journey opportunities. The benefit-cost ratio (BCR) would need to be looked at in more detail to know whether it offers value for money or not and how it should be prioritised. Getting step-free access to the Waterloo and City line appears complicated and expensive at first look, and doesn't immediately look like it would give value for money as it would add very few journey opportunities - especially as the Jubilee Line offers step-free interchange to the District and Circle lines at Westminster (step-free access at Monument and/or Cannon Street would likely be easier and maybe cheaper), with the Victoria and Piccadilly lines at Green Park and will with the Central line and Crossrail at Bond Street when the latter opens. If step-free access is added to the Northern line at Waterloo then that further diminishes the case for step-free access to the W&C.
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 13, 2017 7:50:51 GMT
There is a ramp to the Waterloo & City departure platform at Waterloo and Bank will get lifts from the new entrance soon.
The other lines at Bank will get step free access with the scheme in progress at the moment.
The real problem is the arrivals platform at Waterloo.
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Post by rsdworker on Feb 13, 2017 10:04:50 GMT
the arrival platform has lift while departing platform has steep ramp
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Post by malcolmffc on Feb 13, 2017 14:48:00 GMT
Do the plans for the Waterloo Intl rebuild include a lift /level access to the LUL level below? If so, that would sort out step free access to the W&C line (though the steep ramp down to the departures platform may not officially count as suitable for wheelchairs).
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 13, 2017 17:34:04 GMT
Getting step-free access to the Waterloo and City line appears complicated and expensive at first look, and doesn't immediately look like it would give value for money as it would add very few journey opportunities - I'm sure, back in the days when you could get to the top of the W&C e=ramp from the Eurostar terminal, I was able to get a baby buggy to the DLR at Bank via the W&C without negotiating any steps. There may have been a lift involved at Bank - I can't now remember how it was done. The DLR certainly provides more than a few journey opportunities
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Post by rsdworker on Feb 13, 2017 22:23:24 GMT
at bank you might been used flat sloping escalator then lift down to DLR as other routes are either has escalator to DLR
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 13, 2017 23:49:53 GMT
at Bank you might been used flat sloping escalator then lift down to DLR as other routes are either has escalator to DLR I may well have used the escalator - easily do-able with a buggy although I believe it is officially frowned upon.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 13, 2017 23:58:06 GMT
The DLR does offer many journey opportunities but the Waterloo and City Line is no the only method of reaching the DLR from Waterloo station - e.g. the Jubilee line to Canary Wharf, Canning Town, West Ham or Stratford. Indeed, even as an able-bodied traveller the best way to Waterloo from where I live on the Isle of Dogs is to use the Jubilee from Canary Wharf.
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Post by rsdworker on Feb 14, 2017 9:11:44 GMT
at Bank you might been used flat sloping escalator then lift down to DLR as other routes are either has escalator to DLR I may well have used the escalator - easily do-able with a buggy although I believe it is officially frowned upon. pushchairs can be carried on escalators or moving walkways
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 14, 2017 11:42:45 GMT
I may well have used the escalator - easily do-able with a buggy although I believe it is officially frowned upon. pushchairs can be carried on escalators or moving walkways They must be folded, technically speaking. Norbitonflyer is correct in their assumption that carrying unfolded buggies - particularly with children on board - is frowned upon. One of those rules that is rarely enforced but exists to remove liability from the company if something does go awry.
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Post by rsdworker on Feb 14, 2017 11:59:19 GMT
pushchairs can be carried on escalators or moving walkways They must be folded, technically speaking. Norbitonflyer is correct in their assumption that carrying unfolded buggies - particularly with children on board - is frowned upon. One of those rules that is rarely enforced but exists to remove liability from the company if something does go awry. in shopping centres and shops - they are always have pushchairs on escalators
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 14, 2017 12:06:37 GMT
Just because it's physically possible to do something, it doesn't mean that it's safe, sane or sensible to do so - or, in the case of the Underground, permitted by the conditions of carriage.
More serious injuries are caused by escalator misuse than anything else on the Tube.
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Post by crusty54 on Feb 14, 2017 15:16:59 GMT
The pushchairs must be folded message was removed many years ago. It dated back to a time when pushchairs were larger than today.
Carrying a child, a folded pushchair and assorted bags onto an escalator is considered more dangerous than rolling the pushchair on and holding tight to it.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 14, 2017 16:44:34 GMT
The pushchairs must be folded message was removed many years ago. It dated back to a time when pushchairs were larger than today. Carrying a child, a folded pushchair and assorted bags onto an escalator is considered more dangerous than rolling the pushchair on and holding tight to it. Not to mention the risk of said child running off if it is not restrained in the pushchair. A small buggy is really no more of an obstruction on an escalator than a wheeled suitcase.
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 14, 2017 17:20:31 GMT
No worries chaps. I'll let you guys call the ambulances and administer first aid next time a buggy user falls down an escalator and takes several innocent bystanders with them. 🙄
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 14, 2017 20:47:54 GMT
No worries chaps. I'll let you guys call the ambulances and administer first aid next time a buggy user falls down an escalator and takes several innocent bystanders with them. 🙄 How often does that happen?
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Post by MoreToJack on Feb 14, 2017 21:16:51 GMT
No worries chaps. I'll let you guys call the ambulances and admininster first aid next time a buggy user falls down an escalator and takes several innocent bystanders with them. 🙄 How often does that happen? More serious injuries are caused by escalator misuse than anything else on the Tube. Escalator injuries in general happen multiple times per day. Incidents involving buggies happen at least once per week at a very busy zone 1 station. Extrapolate that out and you get your answer.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 14, 2017 22:27:19 GMT
Having seen a buggy pusher very nearly overbalance on an escalator once at (iirc) Holborn saved only by the person on the step below being a very strong looking gentleman (he gave the impression of being a body builder) taking a firm hold of the pushchair until the got to the bottom (I was on the parallel escalator), I've always been cautious around buggies on escalators. My balance is far from great and I very much doubt that I would have been any use if I were the one below. The pushchairs must be folded message was removed many years ago. It dated back to a time when pushchairs were larger than today. Have you seen the size of some of the pushchairs around today? The one I remember my younger sister and I being pushed in (early/mid 1980s) folded up easily to something not much bigger than about 3-4 walking sticks. In contrast it would take someone with a degree in mechanical engineering about half an hour to fold up some of the contemporary toddler transport systems into something that wasn't actually much smaller than what you started with.
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