londoner
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Post by londoner on Mar 7, 2017 21:34:21 GMT
It's not a shortage a trains, it's a shortage of staff. There seems to be a high level of sick leave on the line for whatever reason. The timetable hasn't changed so if a train is cancelled because an operator isn't available to take it, it's likely that the Rayners/Uxbridge branch will be the one to suffer more than Heathrow. Okay, fair enough, at least there was a logical reason and I wasn't going mad!!
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Post by towerman on Mar 10, 2017 13:07:33 GMT
Any problems on the line and the Uxbridge / Rayners Lane branch is the first to suffer No qualms from me. I have always thought the branch should be a shuttle, but thats a story for another day. My main issue is that when I go to my local station, I look at the board, and very often, since the problem with wheel flats, I won't see any Rayners Lane trains listed. At least before the wheel flats, it didn't seem so bad, it felt there was a frequency of about 8 minutes but now its often back to the old days of 15 or so minutes. Maybe I am just imagining all this!!! For a while in the 80s the branch was run as a shuttle off peak & Sundays.
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Post by will on Mar 16, 2017 12:07:29 GMT
What is going on at the moment - only a service between Hammersmith and Heathrow with no service on the rest of the line due to a shortage of trains.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 12:25:54 GMT
What is going on at the moment - only a service between Hammersmith and Heathrow with no service on the rest of the line due to a shortage of trains. Not sure as yet. Was coming on here myself to see if anyone knew - must be a serious issue for pretty much the whole line to be suspended.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 13:54:43 GMT
Train Ops were refusing to drive the trains on the grounds of health and safety no idea why though
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Post by PiccNT on Mar 16, 2017 15:04:10 GMT
Basically, faulty micro switches in the TBC that in some cases sends wrong messages to the brakes in terms of how much brake to apply. There have been a couple of failed switches when tested. Engineers confirm that the trains are safe to drive and any that have failed have not been offered for service by the depots.
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Post by will on Jul 27, 2017 8:00:01 GMT
Severe delays on the line today due to a shortage of trains. What's caused it this time, surely it can't be leaves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 8:11:25 GMT
Fleet industrial action plus shortage of train crew
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Post by Chris M on Jul 27, 2017 11:21:43 GMT
I presume this is industrial action by those that maintain the trains, rather than by the trains themselves...
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Post by DWS on Jul 27, 2017 11:53:27 GMT
I presume this is industrial action by those that maintain the trains, rather than by the trains themselves... Yes staff at Cockfosters and Northfields depots are takening industrial action , Tubelines want to employ staff on a fixed two year contract . This is so trains can be lifted to sort out the issues from early this year with the flatted wheels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 18:05:21 GMT
So they thought outstabling some trains might get around the issue trouble was the trains wasn't prepped so couldn't be used anyway
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Post by aslefshrugged on Jul 27, 2017 19:05:43 GMT
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Post by fish7373 on Jul 27, 2017 19:20:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 19:34:46 GMT
The Piccadilly trains are clapped out - they should have ordered replacements back in 2014, when the economy was in good shape - now paying the price in rapidly crumbling trains no longer fit for service. This is the real cause of the problem - the staff are just being made scapegoats!
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Post by cso on Jul 27, 2017 21:27:02 GMT
It seems even the RMT can't use a photo of the correct stock...
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 27, 2017 22:33:25 GMT
It seems even the RMT can't use a photo of the correct stock... or proof read correctly! ("...the NEC has taken the decision to suspect all the current industrial action with immediate effect." my italics)
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Post by superteacher on Jul 28, 2017 6:26:00 GMT
What I found strange was that the line wasn't operating with an emergency timetable. This seemed to cause very uneven gaps in the service.
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Post by A60stock on Jul 28, 2017 9:22:27 GMT
The Piccadilly trains are clapped out - they should have ordered replacements back in 2014, when the economy was in good shape - now paying the price in rapidly crumbling trains no longer fit for service. This is the real cause of the problem - the staff are just being made scapegoats! Is this actually true? I thought the 73ts were amongst the most reliable for their age? None the less, i would have thought the bakerloo line stock is in a worse state and more of an issue
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Post by nig on Jul 28, 2017 14:53:55 GMT
What I found strange was that the line wasn't operating with an emergency timetable. This seemed to cause very uneven gaps in the service. if i seem to remember with the leaf issue out last year they was still running a normally timetable with certain trains cancelled for weeks before they finally went to an emergency timetable
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Post by rheostar on Jul 29, 2017 22:33:11 GMT
What I found strange was that the line wasn't operating with an emergency timetable. This seemed to cause very uneven gaps in the service. Emergency timetables work relatively well until around 21:00 hrs, but after then they start to fall apart as the crewing of trains becomes very difficult. A duty manager putting drivers onto trains 'on the fly' is never going to be as efficient as something worked out by duty schedules. An additional problem with an emergency timetable, particularly during the morning peak, is that four trains are used as an Acton Town to Rayners Lane shuttle. The trains come down from the Rayners branch fully loaded, deposit their passengers on the platform at Acton Town, them move into the sidings delaying the rest of the eastbound service. A full platform load of customers is then on trying to get onto already crowded trains coming from the Heathrow branch. Emergency timetables are usually a last resort.
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Post by Ben on Jul 29, 2017 23:21:37 GMT
At one point they were averaging over 400,000km mdbf (top fleet performers), but that was about 5 or so years ago now and I think has reduced quite considerably since. Oh I dont know, surely that depends on how much youre willing to don tin-foil hat and go down a rabbit hole Ye Gods! Why did nobody tell Gideon this!!
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Post by countryman on Jul 30, 2017 7:23:18 GMT
Mdbf?
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Post by Chris M on Jul 30, 2017 7:28:50 GMT
Mean Distance Between Failures. A measure of how reliable a train is.
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