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Post by Chris M on Oct 15, 2016 23:00:45 GMT
On another thread, theblackferret wrote: For one wonderful moment, I thought the thread was going to concern itself with whether Aldgate East is actually east & whether there are any geographically-challenged station names on the Underground. No such luck Finding myself both in agreement with the sentiment, and immediately put in mind of Canterbury East and West (which are south and north of Canterbury city centre and not significantly further east or west of the other) I decided to start that thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 23:12:50 GMT
West Finchley is further east than Finchley Central (although it is west of East Finchley).
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Post by melikepie on Oct 16, 2016 2:01:42 GMT
Apparently Northwood Hills is lower than Northwood
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Post by stapler on Oct 16, 2016 7:09:15 GMT
Roding Valley, not very helpful since the RV extends from Stansted Airport to Barking Creek (but more helpful than Roding Valley High School, which is right outside Loughton station)
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Post by theblackferret on Oct 16, 2016 9:46:15 GMT
Lambeth North was formerly Westminster Bridge Road, on which it is situate.
But it was originally Kennington Road, which leads into WBR and the station building has never stood there. Hair-splitting, admittedly.
The closed Silvertown was actually North-east from West Silvertown, so if it ever does reopen, we might need a name change there.
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Post by class411 on Oct 16, 2016 9:49:23 GMT
On another thread, theblackferret wrote: For one wonderful moment, I thought the thread was going to concern itself with whether Aldgate East is actually east & whether there are any geographically-challenged station names on the Underground. No such luck Finding myself both in agreement with the sentiment, and immediately put in mind of Canterbury East and West (which are south and north of Canterbury city centre and not significantly further east or west of the other) Canterbury West (where, incidentally, the world's first railway season ticket was issued) is definitely West of Canterbury, and was probably named as such because of its proximity to the Westgate (a major landmark). I presume Canterbury East was named simply to differentiate it from Canterbury West because, as you imply, it would me far more accurate to call it Canterbury South,
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Post by pitdiver on Oct 16, 2016 9:53:02 GMT
Arnos Grove is slightly tricky as it is not in Arnos Grove but in Bowes Rd. Arnos Grove is a rd on the other side of Arnos Pk. It runs from Morton Way to The Green
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Post by cso on Oct 16, 2016 10:04:19 GMT
High Wycombe, which sits in a valley? Although that applies to the whole town not just the station
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Post by theblackferret on Oct 16, 2016 10:20:05 GMT
On another thread, theblackferret wrote: Finding myself both in agreement with the sentiment, and immediately put in mind of Canterbury East and West (which are south and north of Canterbury city centre and not significantly further east or west of the other) Canterbury West (where, incidentally, the world's first railway season ticket was issued) is definitely West of Canterbury, and was probably named as such because of its proximity to the Westgate (a major landmark). I presume Canterbury East was named simply to differentiate it from Canterbury West because, as you imply, it would me far more accurate to call it Canterbury South, There was a Canterbury South, on the Elham Valley line (closed to passengers in 1940), not far from Kent CC HQ at Canterbury, but Canterbury East has remained obstinate these 75 years or so!
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Post by stapler on Oct 16, 2016 10:37:26 GMT
Canterbury West (where, incidentally, the world's first railway season ticket was issued) is definitely West of Canterbury, and was probably named as such because of its proximity to the Westgate (a major landmark). I presume Canterbury East was named simply to differentiate it from Canterbury West because, as you imply, it would me far more accurate to call it Canterbury South, There was a Canterbury South, on the Elham Valley line (closed to passengers in 1940), not far from Kent CC HQ at Canterbury, but Canterbury East has remained obstinate these 75 years or so! Not forgetting Canterbury North Lane on the Crab and Winkle in railway prehistory: is this the only place in UK to have had 4 stations, each named after the prime compass points?
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Post by countryman on Oct 16, 2016 11:36:25 GMT
There was a Canterbury South, on the Elham Valley line (closed to passengers in 1940), not far from Kent CC HQ at Canterbury, but Canterbury East has remained obstinate these 75 years or so! Not forgetting Canterbury North Lane on the Crab and Winkle in railway prehistory: is this the only place in UK to have had 4 stations, each named after the prime compass points? No! As far as I know, Acton has 7 stations, including the 4 compass points. North Acton, East Acton, South Acton, West Acton, Acton Main Line, Acton Central and Acton Town.
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Post by class411 on Oct 16, 2016 11:42:49 GMT
Not forgetting Canterbury North Lane on the Crab and Winkle in railway prehistory: is this the only place in UK to have had 4 stations, each named after the prime compass points? Canterbury North Lane was, indeed, a stop on the Whitstable to Canterbury Railway, prior to the southern terminus at Canterbury West. Another factoid concerning this very old line was that it crossed the first ever railway bridge across Old Bridge Road, Whitstable (presumably it wasn't called that, then). There is not even a plaque there now! Yet another factoid: The University of Kent was built across the old line which ran in a tunnel beneath part of the site. Some years after construction severe subsidence lead to the destruction of the computer centre and language lab. A picture of the bridge: (From This Page) ETA: It should be noted that there are other claimants to the 'oldest bridge' record, if not to the 'first season ticket' one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 19:50:58 GMT
North Harrow is further west than West Harrow, and Harrow-on-the-Hill station is at the bottom of the hill.
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Post by stapler on Oct 16, 2016 20:50:18 GMT
Harrow on the Hill at the bottom of the hill - so is Buckhurst Hill!
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Post by superteacher on Oct 16, 2016 21:02:50 GMT
Redbridge and Hillingdon. Since the formations of the London boroughs of the same name, the station names are a bit ambiguous in terms of their exact locations.
Also, Embankment (where on the Embankment exactly?) and Regents Park (confusing for passengers intending to go to London Zoo).
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Post by stapler on Oct 16, 2016 21:07:19 GMT
Walthamstow Queen's Rd - which is in Edinburgh Rd!
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Post by theblackferret on Oct 16, 2016 21:31:54 GMT
Redbridge and Hillingdon. Since the formations of the London boroughs of the same name, the station names are a bit ambiguous in terms of their exact locations. Also, Embankment (where on the Embankment exactly?) and Regents Park (confusing for passengers intending to go to London Zoo). Yes, it's not like The Embankment is only 200 yards long, is it? Sir Joseph Bazalgette's tour de force, indeed! Aldwych, when it started, and Charing Cross, before it became that, were both Strand and Aldwych was definitely pushing it as Strand. Charing X was a lot more accurate when Strand was in use for it.
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Post by gantshill on Oct 16, 2016 21:33:32 GMT
The closest station for Mansion House is Bank, not Mansion House. Tottenham Court Road is even more confusing. I'm not sure that has an entrance on Tottenham Court Road any more, although Goodge Steet (formerly Tottenham Court Road) and Warren Street (formerly Euston Road) both do!
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Post by Chris M on Oct 16, 2016 21:43:51 GMT
Not forgetting Canterbury North Lane on the Crab and Winkle in railway prehistory: is this the only place in UK to have had 4 stations, each named after the prime compass points? No! As far as I know, Acton has 7 stations, including the 4 compass points. North Acton, East Acton, South Acton, West Acton, Acton Main Line, Acton Central and Acton Town. Ealing also has North, East, South and West stations (although no Central).
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Post by revupminster on Oct 17, 2016 4:12:50 GMT
Elm Park is a builders (Costain) creation from the site developed and had no park or history of note.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 17, 2016 6:21:14 GMT
North Harrow is further west than West Harrow, and Harrow-on-the-Hill station is at the bottom of the hill. At what point up a hill does "being on a hill" begin? 2ft up? Midway up? I suppose Harrow-by-the-Hill would work if it were not actually on the foot of the hill. </pedantry>
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 17, 2016 6:26:25 GMT
Aldwych was definitely pushing it as Strand. . Really? The Strand extends a good 250m east of there. Charing X was a lot more accurate when Strand was in use for it. The nearest station to the original site of Charing Cross was actually the Bakerloo's Trafalgar Square Yes, it's not like The Embankment is only 200 yards long, is it? . Many of the stations named after throughfares (Holborn, Embankment, Tottenham Court Road) made perfect sense in relation to the first line there, as it was the point where that line crossed the thoroughfare. It only became ambiguous when an interchange was built with a second line running along the road (in two of the cases I mention, the second line was actually the senior one, but had used a different name for its own station before the interchange was built) Holborn station is not on Holborn proper at all, but High Holborn. The only station on Holborn itself is Chancery Lane, whose entrance was moved early in its history from the junction with Chancery Lane to the junction with Grays Inn Road! ETA: It should be noted that there are other claimants to the 'oldest bridge' record, . The Causey Arch, in Co Durham is a railway bridge more than a hundred years older than the C&W. Acton has 7 stations, including the 4 compass points. North Acton, East Acton, South Acton, West Acton, Acton Main Line, Acton Central and Acton Town. There is also an Acton Bridge, in Cheshire. The Dulwich stations also seem to have been named by someone with a faulty compass, as West Dulwich is due south of North Dulwich, which is further south than East Dulwich Tooting station isn't in Tooting at all, bit just over the boundary (the former county boundary until 1965) in Mitcham.
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Post by gantshill on Oct 17, 2016 6:42:58 GMT
The usual one is that Bond Street doesn't exist.
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Post by stapler on Oct 17, 2016 7:18:59 GMT
Just to add to the exotica, there was a succession of stations on what became the extremity of the Central Line which might have fallen foul of some 19th cent trade descriptions act:
Epping, which was in Theydon Garnon parish North Weald, in Stanford Rivers Blake Hall, in Bovinger alias Bobbingworth (one of those rare cases of a parish having dual names (- another known in railway circles is Chappel alias Pontisbright) not to mention Chigwell Lane, in Loughton parish and some way from Chigwell.
This last is interesting in that when the LCC built their overspill estate near Chigwell Lane stn in 1945-, they asked the LPTB to change the station name to Oakwood, that being their chosen designation for the estate. But LPTB declined because of likely confusion with Oakwood (Enfield). So the LCC thought again and came up with Debden, as the Domesday vill of Tippendune had become, commemorated in field names and a hamlet a mile or so away....
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Post by melikepie on Oct 17, 2016 7:45:54 GMT
Thanks to the building of Westway, Latimer Road is nowhere near it's namesake (although Fresner Road used to be Latimer Road)
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Post by brigham on Oct 17, 2016 8:13:22 GMT
Chigwell Lane being 'some way from Chigwell' pales into insignificance when compared with Liverpool Street.
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Post by gantshill on Oct 17, 2016 8:15:31 GMT
Waterloo is nowhere near the battleground "Where Napoleon did surrender". But I think that we can allow that one.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Oct 17, 2016 8:21:23 GMT
"Where Napoleon did surrender". Choked on my cereal there GH............
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Post by theblackferret on Oct 17, 2016 8:24:42 GMT
Chigwell Lane being 'some way from Chigwell' pales into insignificance when compared with Liverpool Street. Yes indeed, although Liverpool in St terms refers to the 19th-Century PM, Lord Liverpool, and not the City with liver birds on its' crest.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 17, 2016 8:43:56 GMT
stapler Although Debden isn't in Chigwell, it is located on (well, just off) Chigwell Lane so the name was no more inaccurate than Edgware Road.
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