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Post by banana99 on Oct 5, 2016 22:39:25 GMT
A Chiltern service I was on recently stopped after Rickmansworth as he was offered a route over to the Local Lines. It took quite a few minutes before the signal was put back and the time out triggered etc.
As a matter of interest is it possible to get back to the Marylebone line if the driver had taken this route. It didn't look like it to me....
Also why is there no third rail beyond Platform 2 on the london end ? There is a route to the Met line from there?
Thanks.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 5, 2016 23:04:47 GMT
As a matter of interest is it possible to get back to the Marylebone line if the driver had taken this route. It didn't look like it to me.... According to Carto Metro, not without a reversal at harrow on the Hill. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 23:19:31 GMT
A Chiltern service I was on recently stopped after Rickmansworth as he was offered a route over to the Local Lines. It took quite a few minutes before the signal was put back and the time out triggered etc. As a matter of interest is it possible to get back to the Marylebone line if the driver had taken this route. It didn't look like it to me.... Also why is there no third rail beyond Platform 2 on the london end ? There is a route to the Met line from there? Thanks. There is no fourth rail beyond platform 2 on the London end of Harrow-on-the-Hill because there is no route to the Met line from there. Met line trains can, however, reverse south to north in platform 2. I seem to remember this being used during engineering works a while back. There is no way onto Network rail from the southbound local. |
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Post by A60stock on Oct 5, 2016 23:30:14 GMT
This thread gets me thinking, has a Chiltern EVER been sent down the local lines in the past?
I guess one situation where it could be valid is if it's a Harrow terminator
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Post by Chris M on Oct 6, 2016 0:19:07 GMT
Generally speaking, layouts were far more flexible in the past than they are today, so it would not surprise me at all to learn that there used to one or more crossovers between the Met and Chiltern lines south of Harrow. Looking at Carto Metro, one would theoretically be possible as far south as around the former Lords station.
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Post by philthetube on Oct 6, 2016 0:47:42 GMT
I recall stories of a Diesel ending up at Watford Met a few years back, don't know if they are true though.
There is a move every night which reverses in Harrow platform 2.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 0:55:17 GMT
I recall stories of a Diesel ending up at Watford Met a few years back, don't know if they are true though. There is a move every night which reverses in Harrow platform 2. Ah yes, am I right in thinking it's an empty rusty rail move? |
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Post by rincew1nd on Oct 6, 2016 8:19:34 GMT
I would suspect that Chiltern drivers won't sign the slow lines.
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Post by castlebar on Oct 6, 2016 8:43:06 GMT
@ Chris M
Yes, as somebody (norbitonflyer I think), said about a month ago on another thread, "Flexibility is being {deliberately?} engineered out of the system"
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 6, 2016 8:49:01 GMT
Ah yes, am I right in thinking it's an empty rusty rail move? currently M-F d.20.55 Amersham passenger to HoH pfm.2 a.21.19 d.21.24 HoH pfm.2 empty to Rickmansworth a.21.35 TTN111/16 refers. |
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Post by metman on Oct 6, 2016 19:43:01 GMT
Many years ago an A stock running empty Ricky-Neasden accepted a wrong stick at Harrow Nth Jn and took the route into play 2 but carried on and was gapped! I have the UN with it in!!
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Post by philthetube on Oct 6, 2016 20:55:16 GMT
Ah yes, am I right in thinking it's an empty rusty rail move? currently M-F d.20.55 Amersham passenger to HoH pfm.2 a.21.19 d.21.24 HoH pfm.2 empty to Rickmansworth a.21.35 TTN111/16 refers. passenger south, empty north |
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Post by londoner on Oct 6, 2016 21:29:29 GMT
I found an interesting video that people (I hope) may enjoy:
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Post by crusty54 on Oct 7, 2016 7:48:55 GMT
I recall stories of a Diesel ending up at Watford Met a few years back, don't know if they are true though. There is a move every night which reverses in Harrow platform 2. Ah yes, am I right in thinking it's an empty rusty rail move? Plus northbound into platform 1 for the same reason |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 8:38:05 GMT
Many years ago an A stock running empty Ricky-Neasden accepted a wrong stick at Harrow Nth Jn and took the route into play 2 but carried on and was gapped! I have the UN with it in!! I was on nights and was woken by a phone call to say what had happened. Straight down to Harrow with the camera - done and back to bed! Just after that, a notice appeared at the leading end of platform 2 that LU trains must not pass that point. "Stable door" and "horse" comes to mind .......  |
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Post by roythebus on Oct 7, 2016 9:05:34 GMT
I worked on the Met in 1973 and there was no connections then south of HotH apart from the one existing today. As far as I am aware there has never been any connection south of HotH between the Met and the BR lines. There's been a few threads on here and other fora regarding this over the years.
Pre-1961 there was only the "slow lines" south of ricky anyway so the problem didn't arise. Even in my days on the Met there were banner type distant signals on the slow lines between Ricky and Harrow, remembering unfitted goods trains took an awful long time to stop, especially downhill.
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 7, 2016 20:56:04 GMT
LNER trains from Marylebone used to serve Watford, although I was not around in those days!
I think the service never restarted after the 1926 general strike. The track layout prevents direct trains nowadays, but I've seen suggestions that Chiltern Railways might want to introduce a Watford Junction - Aylesbury service via the North Curve.
Some services to Chesham also went to / from Marylebone. I do not know when these ended, although technically such is still possible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 11:10:32 GMT
The last LMR Chesham - Marylebone was in October 1967, on the first Up/SB train ex-Chesham.
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