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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 10:34:42 GMT
Does anybody know why drivers are not allowed to operate the auxiliaries trip/set buttons in normal service? It's one of the first things drivers do when setting up a train on the national rail. |
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Post by class411 on Sept 9, 2016 10:43:53 GMT
Why are the emergency stop buttons such a fussy design?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 10:50:38 GMT
Why are the emergency stop buttons such a fussy design? To prevent inadvertant use. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 9, 2016 10:56:54 GMT
Does anybody know why drivers are not allowed to operate the auxiliaries trip/set buttons in normal service? It's one of the first things drivers do when setting up a train on the national rail. It takes around 8-9 minutes to complete a full reboot cycle; the train will go completely dark, with no emergency lights on, so not good on a 6min turn-around at Edgware Road or at any other 'normal' station stop. This is why you see some S Stock running with front/rear destination/set number problems, as these can only be fully solved at a long break at terminus. |
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Post by class411 on Sept 9, 2016 11:37:56 GMT
Why are the emergency stop buttons such a fussy design? To prevent inadvertant use. They don't need to be fussy for that, just recessed, as they indeed are. Why do they appear split? Why have a visible attachment head? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 9, 2016 13:33:38 GMT
To prevent inadvertant use. They don't need to be fussy for that, just recessed, as they indeed are. Why do they appear split? Why have a visible attachment head? when pressed the button turns clockwise and pushes in, the 'split' will show the rotation. To reset, insert fingers into holes and twist anti-clockwise. (unlike the passenger buttons, they do not require a key to reset) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 20:34:54 GMT
There are Two emergency brake buttons, one on each side of the cab, thoughtfully placed for automatic train operation mode. In the olden days, on the Victoria Line's 1967 trains, you had a red emergency brake lever on the offside dashboard, on the driver side, the operator simply moved the traction & brake controller lever to the braking position (The 1967's TBC braking positions remained permanently live even in auto mode!).
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Post by superteacher on Sept 10, 2016 21:31:00 GMT
There are Two emergency brake buttons, one on each side of the cab, thoughtfully placed for automatic train operation mode. In the olden days, on the Victoria Line's 1967 trains, you had a red emergency brake lever on the offside dashboard, on the driver side, the operator simply moved the traction & brake controller lever to the braking position (The 1967's TBC braking positions remained permanently live even in auto mode!). The original ATO on the Vic was a bit unreliable in terms of stopping the train, so the driver would often have their hand on the brake, ready to give it a quick burst. |
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Post by philthetube on Sept 11, 2016 7:17:40 GMT
There are Two emergency brake buttons, one on each side of the cab, thoughtfully placed for automatic train operation mode. In the olden days, on the Victoria Line's 1967 trains, you had a red emergency brake lever on the offside dashboard, on the driver side, the operator simply moved the traction & brake controller lever to the braking position (The 1967's TBC braking positions remained permanently live even in auto mode!). The Brake on the right is for the use of a trainer, unlike the original vic trains where the driver operated the doors from the platform side of the cab an S stock driver remains in their seat where the monitors are easily visible, so would never use the other emergency stop button. Excluding using the emergency stop button for brake tests I cannot recall hearing of one ever being used. |
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Post by drainrat on Sept 11, 2016 8:18:53 GMT
Does anybody know why drivers are not allowed to operate the auxiliaries trip/set buttons in normal service? It's one of the first things drivers do when setting up a train on the national rail. First time I've seen the S stock cab, lots of new 'stuff' (or just old stuff renamed). Love the hydraulic footrest, apparently we are lucky to have a bar to rest our feet on in the 92s but awkward on the old knees when you take the dash bend into account, get bruised left knee and always wonder why! on another note, was you a driver at NOG? |
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Post by tubetraveller on Sept 11, 2016 10:31:31 GMT
The T/Op in the video mentioned that some of the S Stock already had mods fitted. Anybody know what's changed?
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Post by drainrat on Sept 11, 2016 12:41:49 GMT
There are Two emergency brake buttons, one on each side of the cab, thoughtfully placed for automatic train operation mode. In the olden days, on the Victoria Line's 1967 trains, you had a red emergency brake lever on the offside dashboard, on the driver side, the operator simply moved the traction & brake controller lever to the braking position (The 1967's TBC braking positions remained permanently live even in auto mode!). The Brake on the right is for the use of a trainer, unlike the original vic trains where the driver operated the doors from the platform side of the cab an S stock driver remains in their seat where the monitors are easily visible, so would never use the other emergency stop button. Excluding using the emergency stop button for brake tests I cannot recall hearing of one ever being used. I would suggest it was for the use of the second person in event the tripcock is cut out, or when a train driven in RM/PM etc. 😉 On the use of using the word 'cock' to describe a switch on an air operated system, has anyone else heard that a number of people in training over past 2 years have taken offence to the word, so it's now being described as a 'device' in the rule books, for example the butterfly cock is now to be referred to as the ODOD (3 guesses what it stands for) |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 11, 2016 13:21:26 GMT
The T/Op in the video mentioned that some of the S Stock already had mods fitted. Anybody know what's changed? In the cab; radio/PA/talk-back buttons were changed; cab air-conditioning controls were upgraded to provide more settings. |
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Post by philthetube on Sept 11, 2016 14:57:22 GMT
At least one S stock has now stickers next to the driving handle saying that it has been "modded" for ATO, there is no other evidence in the cab confirming this and it does not drive any differently
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 11, 2016 16:41:02 GMT
At least one S stock has now stickers next to the driving handle saying that it has been "modded" for ATO, there is no other evidence in the cab confirming this and it does not drive any differently No ATC fitted trains have returned to London yet, are you sure it's not one of the three ATMS fitted trains?  |
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Post by domh245 on Sept 11, 2016 18:23:29 GMT
No ATC fitted trains have returned to London yet, are you sure it's not one of the three ATMS fitted trains? What is ATMS? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 11, 2016 20:14:01 GMT
Automatic Track Monitoring System, fitted to 2x S8 and 3x S7 as mentioned further back in the pages. |
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Post by philthetube on Sept 12, 2016 0:31:30 GMT
Guilty, (hides under bush with red face)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 19:15:18 GMT
Does anybody know why drivers are not allowed to operate the auxiliaries trip/set buttons in normal service? It's one of the first things drivers do when setting up a train on the national rail. First time I've seen the S stock cab, lots of new 'stuff' (or just old stuff renamed). Love the hydraulic footrest, apparently we are lucky to have a bar to rest our feet on in the 92s but awkward on the old knees when you take the dash bend into account, get bruised left knee and always wonder why! on another note, was you a driver at NOG? actually no... |
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Post by drainrat on Sept 15, 2016 8:33:52 GMT
First time I've seen the S stock cab, lots of new 'stuff' (or just old stuff renamed). Love the hydraulic footrest, apparently we are lucky to have a bar to rest our feet on in the 92s but awkward on the old knees when you take the dash bend into account, get bruised left knee and always wonder why! on another note, was you a driver at NOG? actually no... I was on Jubbly, thought I recognised your reflection lol |
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Post by drainrat on Nov 25, 2016 13:07:43 GMT
First time I've seen the S stock cab, lots of new 'stuff' (or just old stuff renamed). Love the hydraulic footrest, apparently we are lucky to have a bar to rest our feet on in the 92s but awkward on the old knees when you take the dash bend into account, get bruised left knee and always wonder why! on another note, was you a driver at NOG? actually no...
Is that you at Leytonstone this morning?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 19:19:51 GMT
Is that you at Leytonstone this morning?
 most likely not: I'm in Nottingham currently! |
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Post by drainrat on Nov 27, 2016 19:21:54 GMT
Haha, fri morning
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 19:26:07 GMT
right, however I was still here... |
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Post by drainrat on Nov 27, 2016 19:27:20 GMT
Must've been your twin over from the District line
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Post by superteacher on Nov 27, 2016 20:07:20 GMT
Class313 and Drainrat, I'm all for fostering good relations between members, but this thread isn't the place for a dialogue, which in any case is off-topic. Might I direct you both to the PM facility?
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most likely not: I'm in Nottingham currently!
