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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 28, 2016 16:46:10 GMT
Camden Town track replacementweekends of 30-31 July and 6-7 August 2016: No service between Hampstead/High Barnet/Mill Hill East and Charing Cross or Moorgate.
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Post by memorex on Jul 5, 2016 6:37:28 GMT
I'm not sure if this was added after the press release, but there is now a third weekend (20/21st August). Those covering the Barnet signaller's desk the above weekends are suddenly very happy........  |
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Post by davidr1986 on Jul 21, 2016 21:33:11 GMT
Northbound trains to Edgware will only operate via Bank
Northbound trains to High Barnet/Mill Hill East will only operate via Charing Cross
Southbound trains will operate as normal
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Post by superteacher on Jul 28, 2016 11:32:54 GMT
If the work is track replacement at Camden Town, why is the whole of the Barnet branch closed? Also, why can't Bank branch trains reverse at Euston rather than Moorgate?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 28, 2016 13:42:01 GMT
If the work is track replacement at Camden Town, why is the whole of the Barnet branch closed? Also, why can't Bank branch trains reverse at Euston rather than Moorgate? No depot on the Barnet branch. If carto metro is correct, reversal at Euston would require a double reversal in and out of the "Euston Loop", used as a reversing siding, which is on the Kings Cross side of the station) , thereby reducing the achievable frequency. Reversal at Moorgate (and Charing Cross) can be done more efficiently, using the trailing crossover immediately north of the station. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 13:47:40 GMT
If the work is track replacement at Camden Town, why is the whole of the Barnet branch closed? Also, why can't Bank branch trains reverse at Euston rather than Moorgate? No depot on the Barnet branch. Well there is Highgate, which may or may not suffice. If carto metro is correct, reversal at Euston would require a double reversal in and out of the "Euston Loop", used as a reversing siding, which is on the Kings Cross side of the station) , thereby reducing the achievable frequency. Reversal at Moorgate (and Charing Cross) can be done more efficiently, using the trailing crossover immediately north of the station. Nah, you just go from King's Cross northbound, through the Euston loop in passenger service and into Euston southbound. The problem with this is what Aslefshrugged mentioned regarding Liverpool Street in a recent blog post - you'd have to use Euston southbound for arrivals and departures, making it very busy. Although there is a mammoth platform at Euston southbound. Also there's really no strong reason that I can see not to terminate trains at King's Cross northbound, run empty to Euston southbound to reverse, and re-enter service at King's Cross southbound. |
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Post by superteacher on Jul 28, 2016 13:57:15 GMT
East Finchley to High Barnet shuttle would be possible surely. There is a depot at Highgate and sidings at High Barnet from where trains can be sourced, and a crew depot at East Finchley.
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Post by North End on Jul 28, 2016 14:09:20 GMT
If the work is track replacement at Camden Town, why is the whole of the Barnet branch closed? Also, why can't Bank branch trains reverse at Euston rather than Moorgate? I'm not sure why Euston is not being used (possibly too close to the worksite?), but the reason why the Barnet branch is also closed is because there's track renewal work taking place in the West Finchley-East Finchley area. There are some other weekends when the Barnet branch is closed north of Archway for the same reason. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 28, 2016 15:26:09 GMT
- you'd have to use Euston southbound for arrivals and departures, making it very busy. You'd also have trains having to wait in the loop until the platform became free, unless you heold them at KX until the previous train has left Euston, which would reduce capacity somewhat. - Also there's really no strong reason that I can see not to terminate trains at King's Cross northbound, run empty to Euston southbound to reverse, and re-enter service at King's Cross southbound. Might be difficult to explain to passengers changing off the Victoria Line why they can't use the Northern Line trains across the platform. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 16:14:42 GMT
- you'd have to use Euston southbound for arrivals and departures, making it very busy. You'd also have trains having to wait in the loop until the platform became free, unless you heold them at KX until the previous train has left Euston, which would reduce capacity somewhat. Both good points but I'm not sure the situation would be any better or worse than having trains doing the mainline shunt at Moorgate, you'll have to thin the service out anyway. - Also there's really no strong reason that I can see not to terminate trains at King's Cross northbound, run empty to Euston southbound to reverse, and re-enter service at King's Cross southbound. Might be difficult to explain to passengers changing off the Victoria Line why they can't use the Northern Line trains across the platform. That is a good point. You could have them enter service on arrival at Euston southbound if you wanted . |
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Post by DWS on Jul 28, 2016 16:18:18 GMT
Highgate is not a Depot, it's only sidings to stable trains.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 28, 2016 21:35:06 GMT
Is there similar work planned for the Southbound junction at some point in the future?
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Post by danwoodhouse on Jul 29, 2016 21:52:24 GMT
what are the chances that the service will improve with the linesplit in 2?
an idea which I'm sure was around in 59/72 stock days
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Post by superteacher on Jul 31, 2016 10:35:03 GMT
Yesterday, there was the usual number of people who failed to read notices / heed warnings about the closures. The service from Morden to Moorgate was 8tph, with stepping back at Moorgate. However, the Morden to Charing Cross service was 6tph, with no stepping back. Charing Cross platforms were actually quite crowded, and it seemed that more people were using that branch than the city branch to Moorgate. So it surprised me that only a 10 minute service was provided.
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 31, 2016 16:24:59 GMT
what are the chances that the service will improve with the linesplit in 2? an idea which I'm sure was around in 59/72 stock days substantial increase in the service with the split and the Battersea extension. |
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Post by programmes1 on Jul 31, 2016 16:42:34 GMT
Highgate is not a Depot, it's only sidings to stable trains. Any idea when it became sidings? |
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Post by crusty54 on Jul 31, 2016 18:08:43 GMT
Highgate is not a Depot, it's only sidings to stable trains. Any idea when it became sidings? The depot closed on 25/3/84 at a time when services were being reduced and was unused until 23/1/89. It re-opened to accommodate trains for additional services on the line when passenger numbers were increasing. |
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Post by superteacher on Jul 31, 2016 19:19:55 GMT
There was also Highgate Wood sidings, which closed in 1982.
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Post by programmes1 on Jul 31, 2016 20:08:37 GMT
Any idea when it became sidings? The depot closed on 25/3/84 at a time when services were being reduced and was unused until 23/1/89. It re-opened to accommodate trains for additional services on the line when passenger numbers were increasing. The supplement issued in 1988 for re-opening called it Highgate depot. |
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Post by philthetube on Jul 31, 2016 22:19:32 GMT
It was then doubled isn size for the introduction of the 95 stock and point work was installed on the back of the roads, "at great expense" to allow the rear on a road train to leave the dopot without the front one moving, this was never commissioned and I don't know if it is still there.
It was a contentious point as to whether Higate is a Depot or Sidings as this affects whether trains should be brought out with certain "minor" defects
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Post by superteacher on Aug 1, 2016 18:55:53 GMT
The latest WTT mentions "Highgate Sidings", although in fairly recent editions it was still "Highgate Depot".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 19:22:56 GMT
The latest WTT mentions "Highgate Sidings", although in fairly recent editions it was still "Highgate Depot". It does also mention "Highgate Depot", although "Highgate Sidings" predominates and it's HIG SG in the rolling stock working table. |
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Post by North End on Aug 1, 2016 23:04:12 GMT
The latest WTT mentions "Highgate Sidings", although in fairly recent editions it was still "Highgate Depot". It does also mention "Highgate Depot", although "Highgate Sidings" predominates and it's HIG SG in the rolling stock working table. Although on balance it's probably fair to say it's officially "Highgate Sidings", in practice if one said that to any member of Northern Line train or control staff they'd give a double take. I've never heard anyone say anything other than "Highgate Depot". Edgware is also slightly unclear, but again it's always "Edgware Depot" to staff. In Edgware's case it does have a shed with overhead trolley leads (albeit rarely used), and there were also completely separate sidings latterly just 16 siding off platform 1. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 23:39:44 GMT
Edgware is also slightly unclear, but again it's always "Edgware Depot" to staff. In Edgware's case it does have a shed with overhead trolley leads (albeit rarely used), and there were also completely separate sidings latterly just 16 siding off platform 1. And 16 siding too is disconnected now, isn't it? |
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Post by North End on Aug 2, 2016 9:01:46 GMT
Edgware is also slightly unclear, but again it's always "Edgware Depot" to staff. In Edgware's case it does have a shed with overhead trolley leads (albeit rarely used), and there were also completely separate sidings latterly just 16 siding off platform 1. And 16 siding too is disconnected now, isn't it? Yes it went as part of the preparations for resignalling. To be fair it wasn't used much, although was a useful bolthole. |
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Post by jacks on Aug 4, 2016 16:18:29 GMT
TfL have given an update to say that the changes will continue to apply next Monday and Tuesday.
Does anyone know the nature of the works taking place (and overrunning), with trains still running during the week? The traffic circular I read said that the points were scotched and clipped last weekend (hence the changes this week) and that the scotching and clipping would be removed this coming weekend.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 4, 2016 16:21:58 GMT
TfL have given an update to say that the changes will continue to apply next Monday and Tuesday. Does anyone know the nature of the works taking place (and overrunning), with trains still running during the week? The traffic circular I read said that the points were scotched and clipped last weekend (hence the changes this week) and that the scotching and clipping would be removed this coming weekend. Does it take a whole weekend to do that? |
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