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Post by class411 on Apr 14, 2016 9:53:34 GMT
Isn't it about time that they added some modern digital indicators at EC?
I certainly wouldn't want to see the old ones disappear, or even stop working, but it seems absurd that on a busy station well into the 21st century you cannot, along most of the platform's length, tell where your next train is going to dock without continually shifting from side to side of the platform. They've 'refurbished' the station twice in the time I've been using it but you still cannot get an accurate(ish) indication of when your next train will arrive.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 14, 2016 10:08:47 GMT
Isn't it about time that they added some modern digital indicators at EC? I certainly wouldn't want to see the old ones disappear, or even stop working, but it seems absurd that on a busy station well into the 21st century you cannot, along most of the platform's length, tell where your next train is going to dock without continually shifting from side to side of the platform. They've 'refurbished' the station twice in the time I've been using it but you still cannot get an accurate(ish) indication of when your next train will arrive. There are modern signs indicating the minutes to arrive, covering platforms 1&2, 3&4 - there are 3 on each platform. two can be seen in the 2009 view,  © Hugh Llewelyn |
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Post by wimblephil on Apr 14, 2016 18:07:00 GMT
Speaking of these, I've only recently noticed the 'big' one opposite the one pictured on the left there.
Is it a recent installation, or have I just been walking around with my eyes closed!?
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Post by londoner on Apr 14, 2016 20:31:19 GMT
Would much rather have the old ones than the new dot matrix ones a few meters down on the Piccadilly line which are regularly incorrect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 21:16:54 GMT
Old TD signs get there info from the same source as Dot Matrix signs well the old type original type anyway so makes no difference really
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Post by class411 on Apr 15, 2016 7:23:30 GMT
Is it a recent installation, or have I just been walking around with my eyes closed!? I'm amazed I haven't noticed these, although I use the station a lot less than I did before 2000. I can only assume (and I shall definitely interrupt my journey next time I pass through, to have a good look) that they are in a very unusual position (for an LU station) and I'm too busy watching the 'old' indicators to have noticed them. Still feel a bit of an idiot, though! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 9:05:00 GMT
The old indicators are more realiable then the newer type which work off a different system
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Post by A60stock on Apr 15, 2016 9:37:18 GMT
Isn't it about time that they added some modern digital indicators at EC? I certainly wouldn't want to see the old ones disappear, or even stop working, but it seems absurd that on a busy station well into the 21st century you cannot, along most of the platform's length, tell where your next train is going to dock without continually shifting from side to side of the platform. They've 'refurbished' the station twice in the time I've been using it but you still cannot get an accurate(ish) indication of when your next train will arrive. I would have said an even more crucial question is: Isnt it about time Harrow on the Hill station got modern digital indicators/dmis? This station has the same problem you have described in your post about shifting side to side of the platform. Again, I certainly wouldnt want to see the old ones disappear |
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 15, 2016 18:37:21 GMT
The "old" signs are actually replicas installed a few years ago when the lifts were installed.
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Post by class411 on Apr 15, 2016 21:16:16 GMT
The "old" signs are actually replicas installed a few years ago when the lifts were installed. Why on earth would they do that? They are hardly a 'mechanism'. Just a set of switched light bulbs. Why would they go to the trouble and expense of creating a replica of something that worked perfectly well with workings that contain no parts that are not easily available? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 21:20:22 GMT
The arrows were lit with standard lamps since the refurb of the units the arrows are lit with tubes
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Post by rincew1nd on Apr 15, 2016 21:54:08 GMT
The arrows were lit with standard lamps since the refurb of the units the arrows are lit with tubes So is it the original casing but with modern gubbins? A perfectly acceptable solution to my mind; technology can and should be used as long as it doesn't detract from the appearance. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 22:11:25 GMT
That is correct and of course new destination plates
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Post by patrickb on Apr 16, 2016 0:18:25 GMT
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I would love to see this Indicator and others like it fully working again, you won't find it at Deep Level Platforms anymore bar one (I think, unless it was take apart).
How possible would it be on a technical level to integrate the display to Departure data. You would need a computer to receive the data and command the Indicator.
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Post by crusty54 on Apr 16, 2016 3:21:13 GMT
The "old" signs are actually replicas installed a few years ago when the lifts were installed. Why on earth would they do that? They are hardly a 'mechanism'. Just a set of switched light bulbs. Why would they go to the trouble and expense of creating a replica of something that worked perfectly well with workings that contain no parts that are not easily available? so that they last another 60+ years. Even enamel does fade. Cable and lamp holders need replacing as they become brittle. |
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Post by class411 on Apr 16, 2016 7:53:38 GMT
Why on earth would they do that? They are hardly a 'mechanism'. Just a set of switched light bulbs. Why would they go to the trouble and expense of creating a replica of something that worked perfectly well with workings that contain no parts that are not easily available? so that they last another 60+ years. Even enamel does fade. Cable and lamp holders need replacing as they become brittle. Well, that's maintenance and refurbishment. 'Replaced by replicas' made it sound as if a completely new set of indicators had been made replacing the old ones, removed in their entirety. Which would have been an odd thing to do. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 16, 2016 8:48:08 GMT
You used to get a curious effect when the sun was low in the west, that it would shine right through the sign and illuminate all the arrows, making it impossible to see which, if any, of them was also lit by the internal lights. (This was presumably because the same set of bulbs illuminated both sides of the box) I have rarely been to Earls Court recently, and certainly not in the early evening when this effect was most noticeable, so I don't know if this design fault has now been removed. Presumably an internal barrier, and separate tubes for each side of the box, would achieve it.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 16, 2016 12:02:40 GMT
As show before in these pages (all 2009); - before; - during with temporary boards in view; - before the darker screen fitted to front - additional WB one, added March 2016     |
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Post by wimblephil on Apr 16, 2016 21:01:20 GMT
- additional WB one, added March 2016 Ah so that answers my earlier question. I thought I can't have just missed that one before! |
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Post by class411 on Apr 18, 2016 9:18:02 GMT
Crusty54 tells me that all the internals and the destination boards have all been replaced so there certainly does seem to be a case for saying that the units are largely replicas.
It's like the joke about the medieval axe that's had seventeen new heads and eight new handles.
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Post by rsdworker on Apr 18, 2016 12:44:42 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Apr 18, 2016 14:38:37 GMT
It's like the joke about the medieval axe that's had seventeen new heads and eight new handles. The paradox variously known, depending on your cultural references, as Paddy's shovel, Trigger's broom, Uncle's suit, the Little River Band, or Theseus' ship. The latter has the additional question that, if you replace one plank at a time until they have all been replaced, and then use the planks to build a new ship, which one is the genuine article? It is almost true of the human body, as most (but not quite all) cells are being continuously replaced over a period of months to a few years. Exceptions include the central nervous system, parts of the eye, and tooth enamel. |
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Post by Chris M on Apr 18, 2016 22:22:03 GMT
It's like the joke about the medieval axe that's had seventeen new heads and eight new handles. The paradox variously known, depending on your cultural references, as Paddy's shovel, Trigger's broom, Uncle's suit, the Little River Band, or Theseus' ship. Also Granny Weatherwax's broom, for those familiar with the Discworld. |
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