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Post by phoenixcronin on Mar 16, 2016 9:13:04 GMT
N.B. This thread has been split from the main 'S stock delivery & introduction - discussion' thread - MoreToJack A quick note to anyone who is in a position to fix but the door chimes on 24443 doors X/Z are not working. So far two people have been hit by the doors in the last 10 minutes.
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Post by class411 on Mar 16, 2016 10:21:15 GMT
A quick note to anyone who is in a position to fix but the door chimes on 24443 doors X/Z are not working. So far two people have been hit by the doors in the last 10 minutes. Were they hospitalised?And to think we used to use underground trains before 'door chimes' were ever thought of. But people seemed to manage.
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 16, 2016 10:26:39 GMT
A quick note to anyone who is in a position to fix but the door chimes on 24443 doors X/Z are not working. So far two people have been hit by the doors in the last 10 minutes. Were they hospitalised?And to think we used to use underground trains before 'door chimes' were ever thought of. But people seemed to manage.I remember when the doors were air operated, there was a short hiss before they closed
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Post by A60stock on Mar 16, 2016 12:03:38 GMT
arent doors still air operated on some lines?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 12:20:02 GMT
It's only the S and 09 stock that aren't.
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Post by class411 on Mar 16, 2016 12:53:32 GMT
It's only the S and 09 stock that aren't. I think they must be quieter, now, though. I remember when the hissing of the doors was a very noticeable part of underground travel. Either I have become completely inured to it, or they are a lot less obtrusive, now.
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 16, 2016 14:18:49 GMT
It's only the S and 09 stock that aren't. I think they must be quieter, now, though. I remember when the hissing of the doors was a very noticeable part of underground travel.
Either I have become completely inured to it, or they are a lot less obtrusive, now. Aren't all doors now controlled by electric motors?
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Post by class411 on Mar 16, 2016 14:26:34 GMT
I think they must be quieter, now, though. I remember when the hissing of the doors was a very noticeable part of underground travel.
Either I have become completely inured to it, or they are a lot less obtrusive, now. Aren't all doors now controlled by electric motors? Not according to the post above the one you quote, here. As I said, I haven't noticed the hiss of a door mechanism for some time, but in response to "arent doors still air operated on some lines?" posted by sachil, Spinba11 replied: "It's only the S and 09 stock that aren't.", hence my comment.
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Post by Colin on Mar 16, 2016 14:40:38 GMT
A quick note to anyone who is in a position to fix but the door chimes on 24443 doors X/Z are not working. So far two people have been hit by the doors in the last 10 minutes. This forum isn't the place for this sort of thing.... TfL can be contacted: Telephone: 0343 222 1234 (24hrs) Textphone: 0800 112 3456 (8am to 8pm) Or online via their contact form.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Mar 16, 2016 14:52:55 GMT
A quick note to anyone who is in a position to fix but the door chimes on 24443 doors X/Z are not working. So far two people have been hit by the doors in the last 10 minutes. This forum isn't the place for this sort of thing.... TfL can be contacted: Telephone: 0343 222 1234 (24hrs) Textphone: 0800 112 3456 (8am to 8pm) Or online via their contact form. Fair enough, sorry about that. Feel free to delete if appropriate
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Post by domh245 on Mar 16, 2016 15:02:42 GMT
It's only the S and 09 stock that aren't. I think they must be quieter, now, though. I remember when the hissing of the doors was a very noticeable part of underground travel. Either I have become completely inured to it, or they are a lot less obtrusive, now. Out of the air operated door stock, 1992TS, 1995TS, and 1996TS have all got externally hung doors. I don't know for certain, but I would expect the door engines to also be mounted externally as a result, compared to the 72TS, and 73TS (and the last few D stock!) which have internally situated door engines (IIRC). The hissing will still be there then, but with their external mounting, it'd be a lot more difficult to hear them from inside. possibly
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 16, 2016 15:04:32 GMT
Aren't all doors now controlled by electric motors? Not according to the post above the one you quote, here. As I said, I haven't noticed the hiss of a door mechanism for some time, but in response to "arent doors still air operated on some lines?" posted by sachil, Spinba11 replied: "It's only the S and 09 stock that aren't.", hence my comment. Thank you for the correction
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 16, 2016 17:24:45 GMT
Out of the air operated door stock, 1992TS, 1995TS, and 1996TS have all got externally hung doors. I don't know for certain, but I would expect the door engines to also be mounted externally as a result, compared to the 72TS, and 73TS (and the last few D stock!) which have internally situated door engines (IIRC). The hissing will still be there then, but with their external mounting, it'd be a lot more difficult to hear them from inside. possibly All door engines are mounted internally, the rotating arm mechanism is mounted between the bodyside and external door. 1986 (prototype) Tube Stock also had electric door engines.
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Post by lt on Mar 21, 2016 17:43:53 GMT
District Line eastbound, held at Victoria, doors closed and open buttons lit up, is this actioned by the driver, or does it happen automatically after a period of time, incidentally one door was opened by a passenger to get on, could see others rushing down platform to that open door to board!
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Post by domh245 on Mar 21, 2016 18:03:37 GMT
District Line eastbound, held at Victoria, doors closed and open buttons lit up, is this actioned by the driver, or does it happen automatically after a period of time, incidentally one door was opened by a passenger to get on, could see others rushing down platform to that open door to board! The doors automatically close on S stock after 30 seconds of inactivity, mainly to prevent the air conditioning trying to cool the entire world during layovers at terminals. I suppose that for people who have used them from terminal stations such as Wimbledon, Richmond, Tower Hill, etc, they know about this, but for people who only ever use intermediate stations, it is a bit of a surprise. It'd have been a good opportunity for a SATS to announce how to reopen doors.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 18:12:19 GMT
domh245 is absolutely right. It is also, of course, useful during cold weather with the heating on. It's not just about terminal stations though, the S stock spend a lot of their time out in the open and may well have extended dwell times on the ground where you really don't want the energy to keep the saloons cold/hot being wasted (not to mention the loss of all that lovely coldness/hotness).
It can, however, be overridden by a driver if they so choose.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 21, 2016 18:42:09 GMT
The doors automatically close on S stock after 30 seconds of inactivity, . . . . I hate to correct my learned friend(s) but 45 seconds.
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Post by domh245 on Mar 21, 2016 19:07:31 GMT
The doors automatically close on S stock after 30 seconds of inactivity, . . . . I hate to correct my learned friend(s) but 45 seconds. Thanks! As I was writing it, I had a suspicion that it wasn't 30, but I wasn't sure. It's been an while since I've been on an S stock, now that I think about it!
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 22, 2016 5:32:24 GMT
after a long station stop as on the Circle line at Aldgate many drivers open all the doors before departure and then close them
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Post by wimblephil on Mar 23, 2016 8:50:24 GMT
I suppose that for people who have used them from terminal stations such as Wimbledon, Richmond, Tower Hill, etc, they know about this, but for people who only ever use intermediate stations, it is a bit of a surprise. And even those that do/probably should know still panic at the sound of the door closure chimes. My daily commute sees me using both Wimbledon and Hammersmith stations, and so many people run for the first set of doors when they hear the chime, causing unnecessary panic, crushing, door blocking etc. Personally I keep my eye on the signal whilst walking along the platform; all the whilst it's red, I know I'm safe! I appreciate the average passenger shouldn't have to do that though. It doesn't help that drivers are inconsistent with their behaviour upon departure. Some will just close the doors and set off, no warning - I've often seen people walking along the platform left behind because the train just departs no warning (and once or twice I've been a part of that group when I've not kept one eye on the signal - angry does not cover it!). Some will make an announcement/play the automated 'about to depart' message, close the open doors and set off. Other's will re-open & close all doors and depart. And some will re-open all doors, make an announcement/play the automated message, then close all doors and depart. Personally, I think all should be doing the latter at terminal stations, as it's the greatest help to passangers.
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Post by class411 on Mar 23, 2016 9:49:13 GMT
This thread seems determined to turn into a 'doors and door operation' thread.
Perhaps a mod could spilt the door stuff off into a new thread.
I'd like to add to the discussion but don't want to exacerbate the thread drift.
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 23, 2016 11:04:43 GMT
This thread seems determined to turn into a 'doors and door operation' thread. Perhaps a mod could spilt the door stuff off into a new thread. I'd like to add to the discussion but don't want to exacerbate the thread drift. Your wish is my command; this has been enacted.
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Post by class411 on Mar 23, 2016 11:23:11 GMT
This thread seems determined to turn into a 'doors and door operation' thread. Perhaps a mod could spilt the door stuff off into a new thread. I'd like to add to the discussion but don't want to exacerbate the thread drift. Your wish is my command; this has been enacted. Thanks - though you might start giving me delusions of grandeur! One annoying feature caused by the auto closure in conjunction with the walk through trains (together with a seeming inability of the general public to understand that a red signal means a train isn't going anywhere, for a few seconds at the very least), is that if you are sitting in the seats closest to the barrier at a terminus you get a never ending barrage of people hurling themselves at the first set (or two sets) of doors. It isn't too bad if the traffic is heavy as it just means that there is a constantly churning blockage as people make their way down the train, but if the are a small number of people getting on, the doors are continually opening and closing. I wonder if, as the trains age, they will find they have more problems with the two pairs of doors at either end of the sets.
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Post by mcmaddog on Mar 23, 2016 12:57:36 GMT
I think it would be far better if it was left to passengers to open the door. That way they will be open an inconsistent amount of time. Or, randomise the 45 seconds on each door +/- 5 seconds. What both the above would achieve is making auto close not look the same as a departure with every door closing at the same time.
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Post by stapler on Mar 23, 2016 14:00:19 GMT
Sitting for 10 mins on an LO train at Stratford with the wretched door signal going somewhere on the train seemingly every 10 secs is HIGHLY annoying!
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Post by 100andthirty on Mar 23, 2016 15:11:13 GMT
1986 tube stock prototypes also used pneumatic door operators. They were mounted above the doors and were similar to those on class 3xx used on the main line. They didn't work terribly well hence the development of the door operating mechanism on the 1992 tube stock.
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Post by philthetube on Mar 23, 2016 18:18:00 GMT
I have never worked out the point of the door opening chime on the S stock
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Post by t697 on Mar 23, 2016 18:55:13 GMT
I have never worked out the point of the door opening chime on the S stock The Rail Vehicle Accessibility Regulations (RVAR) require that there is a sound when doors become openable by a passenger. S stock has the capability to be operated in Passenger Open mode, hence the opening chime. LU decided for consistency to have it even when the doors are worked in Operator Open mode, which of course they always are. Yes it is a bit pointless :-)
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Post by Colin on Mar 23, 2016 20:12:36 GMT
It doesn't help that drivers are inconsistent with their behaviour upon departure. Some will just close the doors and set off, no warning - I've often seen people walking along the platform left behind because the train just departs no warning (and once or twice I've been a part of that group when I've not kept one eye on the signal - angry does not cover it!). Some will make an announcement/play the automated 'about to depart' message, close the open doors and set off. Other's will re-open & close all doors and depart. And some will re-open all doors, make an announcement/play the automated message, then close all doors and depart. Personally, I think all should be doing the latter at terminal stations, as it's the greatest help to passangers. Trouble is in order to re-open all the doors we first have to close them........if we get a pilot light why would we re-open the doors?! I will always do a PA as taking off without saying anything on a walk through train is just asking for someone to fall over. If its mega busy I may re-open all the doors in an effort to get everyone on as soon as I can, but otherwise my attitude to those walking alongside the train is that once you are a third of the way along the train there is no reason why you cannot board and walk inside the train should you wish to be nearer the front. LU has always been inconsistent with different stocks on different lines. You may or not recall that D stocks used to be set up differently in summer or winter and there was always the added confusion during the changeover as some were on one season's settings and the rest were on the other. The trouble with S stock (and LO rolling stock) is the air conditioning. The doors need to remain closed as much as possible otherwise the air conditioning will simply try to control the whole atmosphere. Passengers are now reaping what they sow - they've been asking for air conditioning for years and now they've got the door operation that comes with it!
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Post by Chris M on Mar 24, 2016 22:49:08 GMT
Trouble is in order to re-open all the doors we first have to close them........ That seems like an oversight. I would have thought that there would need to be a way for the driver to quickly open all the doors should there for some reason be a need to quickly evacuate a train that is in a station.
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