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Post by vinnielo on Mar 21, 2016 23:52:00 GMT
I was lucky(?) enough to step on board a District Line train at Kings Cross St Pancras this evening. You guys probably know how and why it happens so I won't go into detail.
I'd like to know how often it happens and under what circumstances?
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Post by rsdworker on Mar 22, 2016 0:24:25 GMT
so what was termius for that train? its very odd to find district line so S stock?
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 22, 2016 4:24:39 GMT
think you were looking at the District line map on the train rather than the Circle/Hammersmith & City line map.
They are side by side and confusing.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 22, 2016 5:21:47 GMT
I was lucky(?) enough to step on board a District Line train at Kings Cross St Pancras this evening. You guys probably know how and why it happens so I won't go into detail. I'd like to know how often it happens and under what circumstances?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 22, 2016 7:26:33 GMT
. You guys probably know how and why it happens so I won't go into detail. Please do give more information, as I for one do not know. If it was at Kings Cross it was, by definition, not on the District Line, so in what sense was it a District Line train? Was it going to a destination on the District, like Upminster or Wimbledon? Was it a train of the same type that you may be familar with if you are a regular on the District? |
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Post by jacks on Mar 22, 2016 8:28:47 GMT
I bordered a train at Kings Cross almost a year ago with destination Hammersmith, which before Great Portland Street (my intended destination) the driver announced would be changing to a Wimbledon service upon arrival at Edgware Road. My first assumption is that this is a similar instance (with the destination change known earlier on)?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 22, 2016 10:25:24 GMT
The trains on those three lines are all part of a common fleet, and are occasionally switched from one line to another in service in the way you describe, usually to fill a ga p when the service is disrupted. It's only happened to me once, but I'm not a regular user of the line. I've also had a "C" stock rain to Wembley Park
(I think it used to be more common when the Circle Line was indeed a Circle, as a way of getting Circle trains to and from a depot (there being none on the Circle Line's route)
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Post by MoreToJack on Mar 22, 2016 10:48:18 GMT
We have a handful of workings at the start and end of the day - and ad hoc at other times - that may run to Wimbledon or Upminster.
These will generally appear as such on the platform DMIs, but at this point will be described on the trains themselves as C+H to Edgware Road (Or sometimes Hammersmith) or H&C to Barking. They are considered C+H workings at this time, and will generally have a crew change en route.
Stock wise, all are S7s, which of course have both C+H and District line diagrams inside.
If the OP does not mean this I would encourage further detail to be added.
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Post by vinnielo on Mar 22, 2016 11:13:51 GMT
I think most of you have pretty much got it.
So at King's Cross St Pancras, the westbound SSL platform DMI showed a Wimbledon service.
The S7 that arrived also identified itself as a District line service on its side display. The driver didn't conceal the 'fact' that it was a District Line service to Wimbledon.
I assumed it was quite a frequent occurrence as I don't get the SSL services much, nor do I check the goings-on in these forum quite enough.
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Post by vinnielo on Mar 22, 2016 11:29:03 GMT
Forgot to add that the DMI at Baker Street (or the system that feeds it, should I say) failed to identify the service and just showed "Check front of train".
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 22, 2016 12:03:56 GMT
The S7 that arrived also identified itself as a District line service on its side display. . Ah, I'd forgotten that S stock proclaims which line it is on. In the days of C stock it was less obvious - a train to Hammersmith gave you no clue as to whether it was Circle or a H&C, and a train to Edgware Road likewise whether it was a Circle or District. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 13:00:07 GMT
Forgot to add that the DMI at Baker Street (or the system that feeds it, should I say) failed to identify the service and just showed "Check front of train". This is because the dot matrix system has not been programmed to show that description. I don't think Baker Street SCC can set up District descriptions west of Liverpool Street so depending on how the computer at Baker Street has allocated the description. Which if the destination has not been reckonised at older dot matrix sites it will be put up as a SPECIAL or CHECK FRONT OF TRAIN. The newer signs at stations like Kings Cross get there info from Trackernet so can show anything. |
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Post by brigham on Mar 22, 2016 13:38:22 GMT
Doesn't the District run to Farringdon and beyond on Summer Sundays and Bank Holidays?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 22, 2016 14:04:59 GMT
Doesn't the District run to Farringdon and beyond on Summer Sundays and Bank Holidays? According to CULG, not on Bank Holidays since 1969 (although there were some Saturday workings until 1972) "For many years some of the trains on the Edgware Road service were extended over the Circle Line to Moorgate, Liverpool Street, or Aldgate (usually the latter):
•on Bank Holidays from 1945 to 1953, and again in 1968 and 1969;
•on Maundy Thursdays, Christmas Eve, and the Fridays before Monday Bank Holidays, from 1945 or 1946 to 1953;
•on Saturday during lunchtime (usually to Liverpool Street) and the early evening, from 1968-10-19 to 1972-02-05.No mention of any Sunday workings |
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Post by Harsig on Mar 22, 2016 17:01:27 GMT
Forgot to add that the DMI at Baker Street (or the system that feeds it, should I say) failed to identify the service and just showed "Check front of train". This is because the dot matrix system has not been programmed to show that description. I don't think Baker Street SCC can set up District descriptions west of Liverpool Street so depending on how the computer at Baker Street has allocated the description. Which if the destination has not been reckonised at older dot matrix sites it will be put up as a SPECIAL or CHECK FRONT OF TRAIN. The newer signs at stations like Kings Cross get there info from Trackernet so can show anything. Baker St SCC can set up all sorts of District TDs on the westbound from Liverpool St, but it doesn't follow that they will be correctly displayed on all dot matrix displays or even transmitted correctly to Edgware Road. Such TDs end with an 'X' for via Kings Cross e.g. Wimbledon is 'WIMX' as opposed to ending with a 'V' for via Victoria e.g. 'WIMV'. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 18:05:28 GMT
Well didn't expect that I would of thought when the timetabled services stopped in the 70's and with the resignalling in the early 90's they wouldn't of put the codes in. But saying that where it is all computer controlled now its probably quite easy to add or remove where required.
Do you know if the old cabins could set the codes up for the District TD's?
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Post by vinnielo on Mar 23, 2016 9:50:41 GMT
Here you go.. a gift of video from me! |
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