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Post by towerman on Mar 4, 2016 13:08:21 GMT
Do the Cl378 EMUs work all electrified services on LO?(Euston-Watford,ELL,WLL SLL & NLL)Not including former Greater Anglia services obviously.
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Post by domh245 on Mar 4, 2016 13:20:07 GMT
Do the Cl378 EMUs work all electrified services on LO?(Euston-Watford,ELL,WLL SLL & NLL)Not including former Greater Anglia services obviously. Yes. The 378/1 fleet is a DC only fleet and operates on services via the East London Line. The 378/2 fleet are Dual Voltage and operate services on the North and West London Lines, as well as the DC lines to Watford. They also work to supplement the 378/1 fleet on ELL routes. |
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Post by jukes on Mar 4, 2016 17:35:55 GMT
Do the Cl378 EMUs work all electrified services on LO?(Euston-Watford,ELL,WLL SLL & NLL)Not including former Greater Anglia services obviously. Yes. The 378/1 fleet is a DC only fleet and operates on services via the East London Line. The 378/2 fleet are Dual Voltage and operate services on the North and West London Lines, as well as the DC lines to Watford. They also work to supplement the 378/1 fleet on ELL routes. That will remain correct until the spring of 2018 when dual voltage 710/2s will take over the DC route allowing the six 378/2s to be cascaded back to the North London and East London Lines. After the summer of 2018, the allocations will be: (DC only) 378/1s to the ELL; (dual-voltage) 378/2s to NLL, WLL and (perhaps 5 or 6) to ELL; (AC only) 710/1s to WA Inners & Romford-Upminster and (dual-voltage) 710/2s to DC Line and Gospel Oak-Barking (GOBLIN). When the GOBLIN is extended to Barking Riverside additional 710/2s will be provided as per an option in the contract. Similarly when the STAR (Stratford-Angel Road) service starts additional 710/1s will be provided. There are also plans to increase the basic GOBLIN frequency to 5tph so 2 additional 710/2s are provided for as an option to the current contract. Similarly, if the DC Line is increased to 4tph a matching option exists for 2 additional 710/1s. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 4, 2016 17:48:26 GMT
;Similarly when the STAR (Stratford-Angel Road) service starts additional 710/1s will be provided. Is STAR to be an Overground service then? |
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Post by jukes on Mar 4, 2016 18:36:39 GMT
;Similarly when the STAR (Stratford-Angel Road) service starts additional 710/1s will be provided. Is STAR to be an Overground service then? Thats the current intention from 2018 (ish ish!) when the third track is commissioned from Coppermill Junction to Angel Road. STAR will then run a 15-min frequency service (in theory!) from Stratford, calling at Lea Bridge, Tottenham Hale, Northumberland Park and Angel Road. You'll note the absolute certainty in my statement via the 'double ish' and 'in theory'. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 0:00:33 GMT
Is STAR to be an Overground service then? Thats the current intention from 2018 (ish ish!) when the third track is commissioned from Coppermill Junction to Angel Road. STAR will then run a 15-min frequency service (in theory!) from Stratford, calling at Lea Bridge, Tottenham Hale, Northumberland Park and Angel Road. You'll note the absolute certainty in my statement via the 'double ish' and 'in theory'. I thought we had established that this is to be part of the Greater Anglia franchise? |
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Post by jukes on Mar 7, 2016 16:27:25 GMT
Thats the current intention from 2018 (ish ish!) when the third track is commissioned from Coppermill Junction to Angel Road. STAR will then run a 15-min frequency service (in theory!) from Stratford, calling at Lea Bridge, Tottenham Hale, Northumberland Park and Angel Road. You'll note the absolute certainty in my statement via the 'double ish' and 'in theory'. I thought we had established that this is to be part of the Greater Anglia franchise? There is an option in the TfL contract for the Class 710s for trains to operate this service as part of LO. |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 7, 2016 20:04:08 GMT
I thought we had established that this is to be part of the Greater Anglia franchise? There is an option in the TfL contract for the Class 710s for trains to operate this service as part of LO. However TfL are not specifying the service nor are they intending to run it. The service is specced as an add on the Greater Anglia franchise and the DfT have not insisted on a x15 clockface service because half of the service will be provided by WAML services running to Stratford and there are issues about the paths. This not quite 4 tph service is what caused Enfield Council to take DfT to court because it would cause the planning conditions for Meridian Water housing to be breached. Enfield Council lost the case (see article on London Reconnections). There are further concerns that the planned development of Meridian Water may collapse leaving Enfield Council with a lot of money spent on land acquisition and nothing to show for it. I appreciate this is a bit of a diversion from the main issue but I am very sceptical that TfL will be involved in ordering any trains for STAR nor that the new franchise for Greater Anglia would want to have some overly complex rolling stock arrangement. I'd not be astonished to see 317s or even 315s salvaged from the disposal programme on Overground West Anglia and put to work on STAR services. |
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