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Post by will on Jan 17, 2016 14:12:00 GMT
Anyone know why the whole of the Piccadilly line is operating with severe delays and was suspended yesterday night between Acton Town - Uxbridge and between Cockfosters - Arnos Grove with severe delays due to a lack of drivers?
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Post by North End on Jan 17, 2016 15:10:58 GMT
Anyone know why the whole of the Piccadilly line is operating with severe delays and was suspended yesterday night between Acton Town - Uxbridge and between Cockfosters - Arnos Grove with severe delays due to a lack of drivers? I believe there is an issue with train crews refusing to operate trains on the grounds of health & safety, as a follow-up to a train incident which occurred yesterday. I'm not sure exactly why this has developed into a subsequent issue.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 17, 2016 15:56:36 GMT
The service has now deteriorated further with two sectional suspensions and also no westbound service between Arnos and Hammersmith. I assume the situation has worsened as we're at shift change time mid afternoon. There'll be complete chaos if there is a repeat tomorrow.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 17, 2016 16:08:33 GMT
They've just tweeted "No service btn Cockfosters - Uxbridge..."
Surely they mean Acton Town - Uxbridge otherwise that's basically a complete suspension through the central section?
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Post by countryman on Jan 17, 2016 16:18:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 16:18:17 GMT
Is it possible to run a service between Heathrow and Acton Town?
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Post by will on Jan 17, 2016 16:29:07 GMT
Only the Heathrow branch running what a nightmare.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 16:40:26 GMT
Is it possible to run a service between Heathrow and Acton Town? If you have the drivers yes it is. They can reverse the train in the sidings to the east of Acton Town back into the westbound platforms
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 17, 2016 16:44:04 GMT
So what is the issue that is causing the objection. The BBC article refers to a door opening, is it a door opening and the pilot light dropping out (which is still serious and shouldn't happen) or was the train op not aware? And also, I guess, how much did said door open; an inch, a foot, a yard or completely?
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Post by paulsw2 on Jan 17, 2016 17:01:18 GMT
So what is the issue that is causing the objection. The BBC article refers to a door opening, is it a door opening and the pilot light dropping out (which is still serious and shouldn't happen) or was the train op not aware? And also, I guess, how much did said door open; an inch, a foot, a yard or completely? I heard that a doors opened on a train and motors still operating a serious problem if correct ie doors open no pilot light should been no motors
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Post by hobbayne on Jan 17, 2016 17:01:25 GMT
So what is the issue that is causing the objection. The BBC article refers to a door opening, is it a door opening and the pilot light dropping out (which is still serious and shouldn't happen) or was the train op not aware? And also, I guess, how much did said door open; an inch, a foot, a yard or completely? Door opened between stations and driver lost pilot light. Passengers moved to leading car. Luckily it was early, 05.30am. Train just left Nfds depot apparently.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Jan 17, 2016 17:10:04 GMT
Now not serving Heathrow T4 or T5 so what does this leave? A T123 - Acton Town Shuttle?
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Post by londoner on Jan 17, 2016 17:15:49 GMT
Disastrous news for commuters, but fully appreciate that the safety of staff and passengers is paramount. I was caught up in this yesterday evening. Waited nearly thirty minutes for an Uxbridge to then be told it was going Northfields and that the line was suspended.
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Post by domh245 on Jan 17, 2016 17:27:14 GMT
I wonder if the 'shortage of train staff' is to be taken literally, or if they are covering up the fact that there is a fleet wide issue that needs checking? I imagine that if you have staff refusing to take trains out on the grounds of safety, that could be taken as a staff.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 17, 2016 17:38:53 GMT
I wonder if the 'shortage of train staff' is to be taken literally, or if they are covering up the fact that there is a fleet wide issue that needs checking? I imagine that if you have staff refusing to take trains out on the grounds of safety, that could be taken as a staff. The BBC are saying that there has been both a fleetwide inspection *and* that RMT drivers are refusing to take the trains out on safety grounds. The RMT is alleging a series of issues going back over a year. Also ASLEF drivers refusing to take trains out.
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Post by John Tuthill on Jan 17, 2016 17:50:40 GMT
I wonder if the 'shortage of train staff' is to be taken literally, or if they are covering up the fact that there is a fleet wide issue that needs checking? I imagine that if you have staff refusing to take trains out on the grounds of safety, that could be taken as a staff. The BBC are saying that there has been both a fleetwide inspection *and* that RMT drivers are refusing to take the trains out on safety grounds. The RMT is alleging a series of issues going back over a year. Also ASLEF drivers refusing to take trains out. Whatever you may think of LU unions, whenever safety is mentioned you cannot disagree with them.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 17, 2016 17:58:41 GMT
It is a shame that there is no communication from TfL as to the exact reasons and the likelihood of a service operating tomorrow
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Post by superteacher on Jan 17, 2016 18:01:48 GMT
It is a shame that there is no communication from TfL as to the exact reasons and the likelihood of a service operating tomorrow No surprise there.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 17, 2016 18:11:05 GMT
It is a shame that there is no communication from TfL as to the exact reasons and the likelihood of a service operating tomorrow I rather suspect that line management and / or the MD are in discussions with the Trade Unions to try to get a resolution and confidence around a service running tomorrow. Clearly the press office is talking to the media based on what is coming out on Twitter (especially via Tom Edwards of BBC London). I expect there will be an announcement when there is some confidence about the service to be offered. No point in making a half or false promise - that would do no one any good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 19:11:36 GMT
Looking back st old news stories, the late Bob Crow called for an investigation into a similar incidnt in 2013.
The staff and the management should be on the same side as the safety of passengers and crew is paramount. Let's hope that a plan to resolve this issue can be agreed by both sides.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 17, 2016 19:21:32 GMT
It is a shame that there is no communication from TfL as to the exact reasons and the likelihood of a service operating tomorrow I rather suspect that line management and / or the MD are in discussions with the Trade Unions to try to get a resolution and confidence around a service running tomorrow. Clearly the press office is talking to the media based on what is coming out on Twitter (especially via Tom Edwards of BBC London). I expect there will be an announcement when there is some confidence about the service to be offered. No point in making a half or false promise - that would do no one any good. Quite. It would be helpful to know where you stand, especially if travelling early in the morning. Like with the delays/suspensions before Christmas due to train shortages, there was no news as to the general issue, just an instruction to turn up at the station in the morning and see what happens - this frustrates passengers who, otherwise, could plan other routes. It would even be helpful if they'd say that they'd publish news at 10pm or even 5am, rather than wait and see whether the service does or doesn't run at the start of traffic.
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Post by jamesb on Jan 17, 2016 19:23:00 GMT
what could cause train doors to open?
I remember during the Chancery Lane derailment on the central line some doors opened because wires got rubbed together that shouldn't have been rubbed together when the train derailed...
Would an incident such as the one that occurred on the Piccadilly Line yesterday get reported to the RAIB?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 20:13:44 GMT
On the 96 stock the doors can open a set distance until they are stopped, they are kept closed by air pressure, the moment the doors open 1mm the motors cut out it may be the same on the 73 stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 20:55:26 GMT
On the 96 stock the doors can open a set distance until they are stopped, they are kept closed by air pressure, the moment the doors open 1mm the motors cut out it may be the same on the 73 stock. I believe this is the case as I often hear the driver telling people not to lean on the doors as the motors cut out.
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Post by rummer on Jan 17, 2016 21:10:41 GMT
If the doors do open to far then the motors do cut out on the 73 stock, you should also lose pilot light and get an audible warning. The cdu should light up telling you which car has the open door
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Post by fish7373 on Jan 17, 2016 21:52:11 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 17, 2016 21:53:24 GMT
Would an incident such as the one that occurred on the Piccadilly Line yesterday get reported to the RAIB? I would say so, under their "in other circumstances, could it have gone terribly wrong?" clause. They were certainly interested in this incident on the Midland Line.
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Post by Colin on Jan 17, 2016 22:35:58 GMT
I gather the root cause has been identified and the local Union reps are statisfied that this is not a fleetwide issue.
If that is correct, there ought to be a full service tomorrow....
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Post by plasmid on Jan 18, 2016 1:18:55 GMT
I've seen similar on the 92ts. Some dude not holding on the rails fell on to a single leaf door when the train swerved and the door opened half way every time the train braked. Motors didn't cut out or anything and everyone just ignored it.
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Post by fish7373 on Jan 18, 2016 12:55:00 GMT
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