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Post by will on Dec 5, 2015 22:34:10 GMT
What is going on at the moment? : For the remainder of today, no service between Liverpool Street and Woodford / Newbury Park and SEVERE DELAYS on the rest of the line due to a police investigation at Leytonstone. Please avoid the Central line. thanks  |
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Post by decaded on Dec 5, 2015 22:39:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 22:53:41 GMT
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 6, 2015 0:08:18 GMT
It may be that Leytonstone station has to remain closed but that I am hoping that the trains will be running on Sunday as I'm supposed to be meeting someone who is coming here via that route. He's bringing me a bag of apples from his garden and we are meeting at the ticket office at Gants Hill (he probably won't even be leaving the fares paid area!)
I very briefly looked at the Daily Mail's webpage about this incident. I wish the media was more restrained as enhancing the fear factor serves no humanly useful purpose.
Simon
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Post by jamesb on Dec 6, 2015 5:05:36 GMT
IMO the media have been grossly irresponsible in their reporting of this. Almost no facts, but much speculation and 'hot air'. The Independent reported passengers coming down the escalators - erm... since when have there been escalators at Leytonstone! I am on holiday in Los Angeles and I was very surprised to see Leytonstone station on the headline bulletin of an American news channel in my hotel room.
Maybe the perpetrator was mentally ill?
It feels like the newspapers make the news, rather then report it. Its like reading a novel rather then a news story.
Also, I think that we should think about the poor victim of this incident, it must have been terrifying. Travel disruption is nothing compared to that.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 6, 2015 8:22:06 GMT
A serious incident. The motive is of yet, despite the reporting speculation, a matter for conjecture. I'm going to wait until there's some definite information resulting from the interrogation of the suspect. As usual the press and other media outlets have behaved like the pub gossip. Not impressed.  |
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Post by sawb on Dec 6, 2015 8:36:32 GMT
At the risk of dragging this thread to "rant area" territory. Regarding the media, one moment the media are telling us to live in fear, and the next act normally. Which would they like us to do. Can't help but feel the media are in danger of being held in contempt of court, and frankly, I hope they are and a judge throws the legal book at them. Edit to add, for those that wish to complain about the BBC coverage (which I'm doing at this very minute), the link is here: www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/ |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 6, 2015 9:07:13 GMT
Bearing in mind the incident happened at ticket hall level, why was the train service suspended?
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Post by superteacher on Dec 6, 2015 9:10:06 GMT
At the risk of dragging this thread to "rant area" territory. Regarding the media, one moment the media are telling us to live in fear, and the next act normally. Which would they like us to do. Can't help but feel the media are in danger of being held in contempt of court, and frankly, I hope they are and a judge throws the legal book at them. Edit to add, for those that wish to complain about the BBC coverage (which I'm doing at this very minute), the link is here: www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/ I think the BBC coverage is about the best out of any of them. I didn't see a lot of speculation in their report. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 6, 2015 10:33:58 GMT
At the risk of dragging this thread to "rant area" territory. Regarding the media, one moment the media are telling us to live in fear, and the next act normally. Which would they like us to do. Can't help but feel the media are in danger of being held in contempt of court, and frankly, I hope they are and a judge throws the legal book at them. Edit to add, for those that wish to complain about the BBC coverage (which I'm doing at this very minute), the link is here: www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/ If you allow yourself to live in fear then those who choose to terrorise you have won. To be helped into this state by the media is rather pathetic in my opinion although I doubt they're in contempt of court seeing as this incident hasn't got to court yet. |
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Post by roythebus on Dec 6, 2015 12:09:15 GMT
I happened to be driving rail replacement buses on the Tower Hill-Barking service when the Centrecom radio advised of delays on the Central due to a passenger incident at Leytonstone. Buses to accept LUL tickets on alternative routes. Slightly later, this was escalated to a serious passenger incident, all service suspended between West Ruislip, Ealing Broadway and Epping.
What I've learnt doing that sort of work is that you have to listen to what is NOT being said to try to get the message; we don't want mass panic amongst the passengers, so assumed it may have either been someone under a train which would have been difficult to clear up given the location, or a "rucksack" job. Needless to say I was slightly relieved when I heard the extent of the problem, not wishing to trivialise what actually happened. My thoughts go out to the victims of the attack.
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Post by piccboy on Dec 6, 2015 16:57:50 GMT
Bearing in mind the incident happened at ticket hall level, why was the train service suspended? Probably because given how near the platforms and tracks are to the ticket hall, the incident could have very quickly spread to the platforms and more importantly the tracks. |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 6, 2015 19:59:06 GMT
Bearing in mind the incident happened at ticket hall level, why was the train service suspended? Probably because given how near the platforms and tracks are to the ticket hall, the incident could have very quickly spread to the platforms and more importantly the tracks. I appreciate that bit, but the line remained suspended long after the incident was contained. |
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Post by trt on Dec 6, 2015 21:14:19 GMT
I was raging at that Channel 4 reporter, all snug and warm in his studio, interviewing an eye witness. It went something like...
"Yeah, so I was just walking along and all these TfL staff were running out of the station and then some other people too... so I ran in to see if I could help."
"You say the staff were just running out of the station and you ran in to help."
In a tone of voice that suggested that the staff were somehow cowards - running away in dereliction of their duties, and this member of the public was brave.
No, you moron; if the staff were running it's because they had just seen what was going on and were getting the hell out of there. Just because some bloody idiot decides to run into somewhere people are running out of does not make them brave. It makes them potentially stupid and potentially dead.
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Post by domh245 on Dec 6, 2015 21:18:55 GMT
Probably because given how near the platforms and tracks are to the ticket hall, the incident could have very quickly spread to the platforms and more importantly the tracks. I appreciate that bit, but the line remained suspended long after the incident was contained. Speculation, but possibly to do with the staff depot? If Leytonstone was completely closed as one might expect in a major incident like this whilst the Police carry out their forensic investigations and what not, then there may be difficulty getting staff to/from depot? |
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Post by superteacher on Dec 6, 2015 21:27:41 GMT
That's a possibility, although they could have used Leyton to change crews when required.
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Post by domh245 on Dec 6, 2015 21:42:22 GMT
That's a possibility, although they could have used Leyton to change crews when required. I was thinking more about where the T/Ops book on and off, take meal relief, etc. Is that area located within Leytonstone station (I don't know the area at all!) because if it were, and the T/Ops were unable to book on or take breaks, then they would start to run in problems surely? |
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Post by stapler on Dec 6, 2015 21:47:17 GMT
The traincrew depot can be accessed from the street or the platform, I believe
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 7:53:09 GMT
I think our sympathy for all those hurt in this cowardly attack would not go a miss!
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Post by stapler on Dec 7, 2015 8:06:32 GMT
Nor admiration for the bravery of the police (just ordinary local officers - were they met or BTP?)
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 9, 2015 6:39:09 GMT
Bearing in mind the incident happened at ticket hall level, why was the train service suspended? The victim was moved to platform level as the attacker came back. |
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Post by bassmike on Dec 9, 2015 14:53:03 GMT
I can't help but admire the bravery of all those able-bodied onlookers who chose to take pictures on their mobile moron machines rather than help in any way. Tablet wielding beardy w====rs.
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 9, 2015 15:10:32 GMT
I can't help but admire the bravery of all those able-bodied onlookers who chose to take pictures on their mobile moron machines rather than help in any way. Tablet wielding beardy w====rs. Pity they can't be prosecuted. |
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Post by camperdown9 on Dec 9, 2015 16:23:03 GMT
I can't help but admire the bravery of all those able-bodied onlookers who chose to take pictures on their mobile moron machines rather than help in any way. Tablet wielding beardy w====rs. We live in a crazy world. The guy was tasered. There is every possibility that he or his lawyers will bring a claim against the police. Claiming that he was treated unfairly or suffered injuries as a result of the taser. I mean it's nonsense and would most likely be thrown out. But not before there is an enquirie...and who pays for that, yes us mighty tax payers. In September one of the engines on a BA 777 suffered a failure on take off. The aircraft came to a stop and the passengers were asked to evacuate the aircraft in a hurry. In other words via the escape slides. Some of them took their carry on bags with no regards for their own safety and the safety of other passengers. Then people stood next to the plane which was fuelled for a transatlantic flight and took video on their phones. I really feel like an old man saying this...but people are getting more and more self centred. |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 9, 2015 17:41:50 GMT
but people are getting more and more self centred. No, people are getting more and more stupid and can't cope with life if they're not being looked after like children and when they're not they can't think of anything better than litigation to mask their stupidity. Not that I get angry about this sort of stuff......... |
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Post by jamesb on Dec 9, 2015 19:12:30 GMT
I can't help but admire the bravery of all those able-bodied onlookers who chose to take pictures on their mobile moron machines rather than help in any way. Tablet wielding beardy w====rs. We live in a crazy world. The guy was tasered. There is every possibility that he or his lawyers will bring a claim against the police. Claiming that he was treated unfairly or suffered injuries as a result of the taser. I mean it's nonsense and would most likely be thrown out. But not before there is an enquirie...and who pays for that, yes us mighty tax payers. In September one of the engines on a BA 777 suffered a failure on take off. The aircraft came to a stop and the passengers were asked to evacuate the aircraft in a hurry. In other words via the escape slides. Some of them took their carry on bags with no regards for their own safety and the safety of other passengers. Then people stood next to the plane which was fuelled for a transatlantic flight and took video on their phones. I really feel like an old man saying this...but people are getting more and more self centred. We do indeed. If we were in the US the Leytonstone criminal would most probably have been shot. God forbid, if he'd had a gun a great lot of use tasers would have been. He has no grounds to sue whatsoever and it would be thrown out instantly. He is lucky to be alive in my opinion. The people who took videos inadvertently did help though - 1) evidence with sound 2) 'you ain't no Muslim bruv' which has become a very powerful statement. I'm on my way to the airport from LA about to board a BA 777 back to London- If any of my fellow passengers impede my exit in the unlikely event I will be very angry!!!!!  |
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Post by camperdown9 on Dec 9, 2015 19:28:15 GMT
We live in a crazy world. The guy was tasered. There is every possibility that he or his lawyers will bring a claim against the police. Claiming that he was treated unfairly or suffered injuries as a result of the taser. I mean it's nonsense and would most likely be thrown out. But not before there is an enquirie...and who pays for that, yes us mighty tax payers. In September one of the engines on a BA 777 suffered a failure on take off. The aircraft came to a stop and the passengers were asked to evacuate the aircraft in a hurry. In other words via the escape slides. Some of them took their carry on bags with no regards for their own safety and the safety of other passengers. Then people stood next to the plane which was fuelled for a transatlantic flight and took video on their phones. I really feel like an old man saying this...but people are getting more and more self centred. We do indeed. If we were in the US the Leytonstone criminal would most probably have been shot. God forbid, if he'd had a gun a great lot of use tasers would have been. He has no grounds to sue whatsoever and it would be thrown out instantly. He is lucky to be alive in my opinion. The people who took videos inadvertently did help though - 1) evidence with sound 2) 'you ain't no Muslim bruv' which has become a very powerful statement. I'm on my way to the airport from LA about to board a BA 777 back to London- If any of my fellow passengers impede my exit in the unlikely event I will be very angry!!!!! Have a good flight! |
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 9, 2015 19:34:47 GMT
We do indeed. If we were in the US the Leytonstone criminal would most probably have been shot. God forbid, if he'd had a gun a great lot of use tasers would have been. He has no grounds to sue whatsoever and it would be thrown out instantly. He is lucky to be alive in my opinion. The people who took videos inadvertently did help though - 1) evidence with sound 2) 'you ain't no Muslim bruv' which has become a very powerful statement. I'm on my way to the airport from LA about to board a BA 777 back to London- If any of my fellow passengers impede my exit in the unlikely event I will be very angry!!!!! ! Do you mean Fight? |
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Post by tjw on Dec 9, 2015 19:53:02 GMT
In September one of the engines on a BA 777 suffered a failure on take off. The aircraft came to a stop and the passengers were asked to evacuate the aircraft in a hurry. In other words via the escape slides. Some of them took their carry on bags with no regards for their own safety and the safety of other passengers. Then people stood next to the plane which was fuelled for a transatlantic flight and took video on their phones. Hmmm Aviation fuel (Kerosene), September, UK. I think I would feel safe to throw lighted matches into a tank of the stuff. N.B. Aviation fuel has a flash point of 38 degrees Centigrade / 100 degrees F. |
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