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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 27, 2015 13:21:31 GMT
I'd hazard a guess that leaving a space in front has more to do with the inconsiderate git with his rucksack in your face. If there's one thing that really gets my goat about using the underground it's that, even on the trains. Last time I was down, about a month ago, I spoke to three seperate people about it. At least they did the right thing and took the rucksacks off and put them between their feet.........
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Post by stapler on Nov 27, 2015 13:24:12 GMT
Whistlekiller, that might have been the obnoxious git whose rucksack (on the floor) I tripped over at Stratford a few days ago!
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 27, 2015 13:47:31 GMT
Whistlekiller, that might have been the obnoxious git whose rucksack (on the floor) I tripped over at Stratford a few days ago! Typical, if they can't even work out to tuck the rucksack between their feet out of harms way that's almost as bad as swinging it about on their backs.  Oddly enough, one of mine was at Leyton but I'd convinced him to take the rucksack off by the time we got to Stratford so maybe he was the same man getting a bit careless again! |
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Post by stapler on Nov 27, 2015 14:32:06 GMT
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Post by John Tuthill on Nov 27, 2015 14:42:48 GMT
Whistlekiller, that might have been the obnoxious git whose rucksack (on the floor) I tripped over at Stratford a few days ago! Typical, if they can't even work out to tuck the rucksack between their feet out of harms way that's almost as bad as swinging it about on their backs. Oddly enough, one of mine was at Leyton but I'd convinced him to take the rucksack off by the time we got to Stratford so maybe he was the same man getting a bit careless again! Reminds me of an incident years ago at the Borough. A chap got on at the end door with his rucksack ON!! Another passenger behind him said: "Are you doing a parachute jump?" "Eh no why?" "You'll have someone's eye with that take it off!"(I've edited out the expletives)  |
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Post by jacks on Nov 27, 2015 17:32:15 GMT
Does this trial apply to all the escalators at Holborn, or just the main up escalator leading to the street? I could understand the latter as it allows people to leave quickly, however the problem at Holborn has never been the escalators, but the torturous nature of the low-level passageways and conflicts between various flows of passengers in the circulating areas. The last thing needed is a greater flow of people being deposited at the bottom of the Piccadilly Line escalators, where already the slightest problem results in people blocking back onto the escalators and a diamond being pressed. This week the trial has been on one up escalator (from the lower concourse to the ticket hall), next week they're going to try it on two (we'll see how that goes..) And I always leave a step in front of me when standing on the escalator, as I carry my bag in front of me and don't want it nudging into the person in front |
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Post by brigham on Nov 27, 2015 18:03:53 GMT
It's the same principle which was demonstrated on whatever motorways are called in the US. Much more traffic could be carried on three lanes all at 55 MPH, than on one lane running slowly and two kept clear for faster traffic overtaking.
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Post by stapler on Nov 27, 2015 18:10:26 GMT
If it's the same principle as US motorways (steady traffic, moderate speed) wouldn't both sides walking be better? If of course there was more than one escalator, to cater for the less fit.
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Post by crusty54 on Nov 27, 2015 20:05:31 GMT
Needs the reverse of Bumper Harris.
Paid people to stand on the left and stop others walking up.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 27, 2015 23:08:05 GMT
re: walking down stationary escalators, I too find this uncomfortable. I think its because the height of the step is usually much larger than a fixed stairway. Therefore the step down is greater.
re: rucksacks, yes mine is on my back but only when I'm walking. Especially when I'm on a train its on the floor with one leg through one of the straps (to prevent someone else taking a liking to it).
The point is, when on a crowded train a rucksack which is on one's back can take up as much space as another passenger, whilst when on the floor it is not in anyone's way. Same applies at stations with lifts.
Simon
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Nov 28, 2015 8:09:47 GMT
re: walking down stationary escalators, I too find this uncomfortable. I think its because the height of the step is usually much larger than a fixed stairway. Therefore the step down is greater. re: rucksacks, yes mine is on my back but only when I'm walking. Especially when I'm on a train its on the floor with one leg through one of the straps (to prevent someone else taking a liking to it). The point is, when on a crowded train a rucksack which is on one's back can take up as much space as another passenger, whilst when on the floor it is not in anyone's way. Same applies at stations with lifts. Simon Simon, an acquaintance of mine, who's even more irritable on the underground than I and hates rucksacks with a vengeance, once surreptitiously tied two rucksacks, and consequently their owners, together with some very strong fishing line (we anglers nearly always carry the stuff regardless of whether we're fishing and we also know our knots). Both rucksacks had been forced in his face and he'd failed to get either of them to do the decent thing and remove the items. I have to say it's one of the funniest things I've seen as one of the Herberts attempted to get off the train a few stops later and got nowhere while the other complained about being yanked about. Following a finger wagging from my friend, they were released from each other. |
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Post by theblackferret on Nov 28, 2015 10:14:20 GMT
re: walking down stationary escalators, I too find this uncomfortable. I think its because the height of the step is usually much larger than a fixed stairway. Therefore the step down is greater. re: rucksacks, yes mine is on my back but only when I'm walking. Especially when I'm on a train its on the floor with one leg through one of the straps (to prevent someone else taking a liking to it). The point is, when on a crowded train a rucksack which is on one's back can take up as much space as another passenger, whilst when on the floor it is not in anyone's way. Same applies at stations with lifts. Simon Simon, an acquaintance of mine, who's even more irritable on the underground than I and hates rucksacks with a vengeance, once surreptitiously tied two rucksacks, and consequently their owners, together with some very strong fishing line (we anglers nearly always carry the stuff regardless of whether we're fishing and we also know our knots). Both rucksacks had been forced in his face and he'd failed to get either of them to do the decent thing and remove the items. I have to say it's one of the funniest things I've seen as one of the Herberts attempted to get off the train a few stops later and got nowhere while the other complained about being yanked about. Following a finger wagging from my friend, they were released from each other. Now there's an opportunity to reshoot Sliding Doors, starring strong fishing line, with a scene on the Up escalator at Holborn where the two participants stand at left or right and are entwined or not by the Fisher King (© theblackferret) before reaching the top. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 28, 2015 17:05:34 GMT
I appreciate that this is speaking heresy but...
...I'd much rather we had the 'Stand on the Left' trial at King's Cross than the <redacted> holograms we've had installed at the top/bottom of the Piccadilly escalators...!
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 29, 2015 0:13:14 GMT
re: walking down stationary escalators, I too find this uncomfortable. I think its because the height of the step is usually much larger than a fixed stairway. Therefore the step down is greater. re: rucksacks, yes mine is on my back but only when I'm walking. Especially when I'm on a train its on the floor with one leg through one of the straps (to prevent someone else taking a liking to it). The point is, when on a crowded train a rucksack which is on one's back can take up as much space as another passenger, whilst when on the floor it is not in anyone's way. Same applies at stations with lifts. Simon Simon, an acquaintance of mine, who's even more irritable on the underground than I and hates rucksacks with a vengeance, once surreptitiously tied two rucksacks, and consequently their owners, together with some very strong fishing line (we anglers nearly always carry the stuff regardless of whether we're fishing and we also know our knots). Both rucksacks had been forced in his face and he'd failed to get either of them to do the decent thing and remove the items. I have to say it's one of the funniest things I've seen as one of the Herberts attempted to get off the train a few stops later and got nowhere while the other complained about being yanked about. Following a finger wagging from my friend, they were released from each other. That reminds me of the time someone asked me to tie their shoe laces for them... so I did. They did not say anything about how I should tie them (smile). anway, its wicked and errant, in an emergency situation could cause serious problems. But, for people who do not understand the discomfort they cause to others it is well deserved. Simon |
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Post by wimblephil on Nov 29, 2015 0:21:33 GMT
I've always though they should trial a full on walking escalator and full standing one. I feel this would work better. (Has this been tried before!?). I guess it wouldn't help with queuing at the bottom though? I'm sure a lot of people who actually prefer to walk (myself being on of them) will feel VERY inconvenienced by this though!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 3:52:14 GMT
I often find myself having to walk down a stationary travolator (no prizes for guessing which station.....), which for some reason seems harder than walking down it when it is moving. I don't think it is simply that you have to do it for longer, nor that you have no choice about standing or walking, as I quite happily stride down it when it is moving. It could just be that when everyone is walking, we end up walking at the pace of the slowest person ahead of us, which means everyone else is unable to go as fast as the speed they would find most comfortable. My theory on this (having experienced presumably the same travelator) is that width is the problem. Someone walking at normal speed will generally need more width (to swing their arms/move their legs etc) than someone who is stood still. When the travelator is moving, the people not walking can 'tuck themselves in' to the right hand side leaving a wider passage for people to walk past on the left at normal speed. However, when stopped, the travelator is not wide enough for two people to walk side by side or overtake each other at their normal speeds. This results in a bottleneck, showing everybody down along the whole length of travelator. It also doesn't help that the gateline at the bottom is (presumably deliberately) set up to restrict the flow of people onto the platform. This causes bunching at the gates, which again slows down everyone on the travelator. |
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Post by jacks on Mar 10, 2016 16:43:22 GMT
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Post by stapler on Mar 10, 2016 17:26:25 GMT
Remind me not to use Holborn for the next 6 months!!
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Post by danwoodhouse on Mar 12, 2016 10:36:25 GMT
heres an idea - rather than swing the advantage for those those who must stand why not swing the advantage in everyones favour like this
Holborn has the luxury of 4 escalators right?
so why not make the inner 2 escalators standing only and the outer 2 walk (or gallop!) up/down
how does that sound?
people like me who have perfectly good legs for moving ourselves through escalators shouldn't be disadvantaged by the other half
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Post by rincew1nd on Mar 12, 2016 21:40:37 GMT
danwoodhouse makes a good point, from the press release: So it would appear that you remain free to walk up, should you wish. I would suggest against galloping, to prevent shoes on escalator treads leading to sparks.
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Post by jamesb on Apr 18, 2016 15:25:08 GMT
Standing at the foot of the escalator at Holborn as I write this , nobody is standing on both sides. People are like sheep. If one passenger could be told to stand individually (maybe one passenger every escalator lengths worth of passengers) then everyone behind them would be forced to stand.
Or perhaps a member of staff constantly standing on the way up, then going down again (up and down continuously).
It just takes one brave person... I didn't feel brace enough (because there would be an empty escalator above me and people telling me to move behind me)!
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Post by stapler on Apr 18, 2016 16:29:46 GMT
<<People are like sheep. If one passenger could be told to stand individually (maybe one passenger every escalator lengths worth of passengers) then everyone behind them would be forced to stand.>>
Come back, Bumper Harris!
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Post by jamesb on Apr 18, 2016 20:31:32 GMT
People need an incentive. Maybe a free coffee for every 30th customer who volunteers to stand on the left! Or a free journey for every 100th passenger who volunteers to stand on the left! It just takes one person to stand , to make everyone else stand behind them!
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Oddly enough, one of mine was at Leyton but I'd convinced him to take the rucksack off by the time we got to Stratford so maybe he was the same man getting a bit careless again!
