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Post by Chris M on Aug 25, 2015 1:00:08 GMT
Travelling with my girlfriend on the Piccadilly line today, she commented that the exterior of the train we were on was particularly dirty and wondered how often they get washed. While I know how they are washed, and can even show her a driver's eye view of a D stock getting washed, I can't find the answer to the question she actually asked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 1:21:25 GMT
Can't speak for the Piccadilly line, but as this is in the rolling stock section, I'll add a few thoughts on the general situation.
All trains into/out of the west end of Ruislip depot on the Central line are booked to run via the wash road.
This theme of regular washing is continued on the Bakerloo line. Quoting from the Working Time Table:
Additionally, all trains scheduled to stable in Stonebridge Park depot are booked to run via the washing machine.
On the other hand, the number of Jubilee line trains marked in the Working Time Table with JW ("Train may run via wash plant in Stratford Market Depot as required.") seems to be quite small.
Finally, on the Waterloo & City line:
N.B.: These are just (I hope) informative notes from the Working Time Tables, provided as is. The lines I don't mention simply don't have any explicit information in the Working Time Table. More importantly, the lines I do mention (with the exception of the Waterloo & City line) have other depots, some of which have washing plants that aren't made mention of in the Working Time Table. So the fact that only a few Jubilee line trains are marked with JW, for example, doesn't mean that only a few Jubilee line trains are washed each day, as some may (or may not) be washed at Neasden, for example. Similarly, Hainault depot on the Central line also has a wash road and, in my experience, trains generally run to the depot via the wash road. It's just that Hainault isn't talked about in the Working Time Table. Just thought I'd better point that out, because I realised I gave the impression that Jubilee line trains don't get washed much, which I'm sure isn't true.
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Post by Colin on Aug 25, 2015 2:03:39 GMT
The only train wash on the District line is at Upminster.
Most trains out of Upminster go through it, and its working most days, but there is the odd day when it isn't working.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 25, 2015 6:34:33 GMT
The only train wash on the District line is at Upminster. Most trains out of Upminster go through it, and its working most days, but there is the odd day when it isn't working. So how often does each train stable at Upminster? They must have to arrange the trains so that they visit Upminste every so often. Where did the C stick used to be washed? Is there a wash facility at Hammersnith? |
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Post by Colin on Aug 25, 2015 10:15:41 GMT
There certainly was a train wash at Hammersmith; I don't know if its still there as Hammersmith is no longer a proper depot....
Trains are timetabled such that they ought to see Upminster on a regular basis though of course reforms during the day may mess that up as well as weekend engineering work which may make it physically impossible to get there. I don't know for sure but I would suggest that each train likely see's Upminster at least once in any given week with probably a good two thirds of the fleet seeing it at least two or three times each week.
Roughly speaking, on a weekday Upminster puts out about half of the main District line service (about 32 trains) plus 3 for the Hammersmith & City line. If everything runs as timetabled all day with no reforms about 10 or 12 of those will come back to Upminster; the other 20 will have started out from Ealing Common depot, Lillie Bridge, Parsons Green or one of the two outstablers on the line. The next day the new lot of 30 or so will go out.........they'll be made up of some of the 10 that left Upminster & returned the previous day - some of those 10 may again return to Upminster on day 2. And so the cycle continues....
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Post by stapler on Aug 25, 2015 10:32:24 GMT
Is there any washing facility at Hainault depot?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 25, 2015 11:54:08 GMT
Is there any washing facility at Hainault depot? Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 12:31:20 GMT
Is there any washing facility at Hainault depot? The wash road runs alongside the Hainault-Woodford line and you can see the washing machine as you head to/from Grange Hill. It's accessible from all three platforms at Hainault and the shunting necks at both ends of the depot. It's also accessible from Grange Hill, though I'm not certain whether it's accessible from both platforms, or just platform 2. The road has codes. |
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Post by North End on Aug 25, 2015 13:05:32 GMT
Can't speak for the Piccadilly line, but as this is in the rolling stock section, I'll add a few thoughts on the general situation. All trains into/out of the west end of Ruislip depot on the Central line are booked to run via the wash road. This theme of regular washing is continued on the Bakerloo line. Quoting from the Working Time Table: Additionally, all trains scheduled to stable in Stonebridge Park depot are booked to run via the washing machine. On the other hand, the number of Jubilee line trains marked in the Working Time Table with JW ("Train may run via wash plant in Stratford Market Depot as required.") seems to be quite small. Finally, on the Waterloo & City line: N.B.: These are just (I hope) informative notes from the Working Time Tables, provided as is. The lines I don't mention simply don't have any explicit information in the Working Time Table. More importantly, the lines I do mention (with the exception of the Waterloo & City line) have other depots, some of which have washing plants that aren't made mention of in the Working Time Table. So the fact that only a few Jubilee line trains are marked with JW, for example, doesn't mean that only a few Jubilee line trains are washed each day, as some may (or may not) be washed at Neasden, for example. Similarly, Hainault depot on the Central line also has a wash road and, in my experience, trains generally run to the depot via the wash road. It's just that Hainault isn't talked about in the Working Time Table. Just thought I'd better point that out, because I realised I gave the impression that Jubilee line trains don't get washed much, which I'm sure isn't true. For the Northern Line, Morden provides 42 trains out of 96. All trains entering service from Morden Depot will wash via one of two wash plants on the reception roads. This means each train will be washed on average every 2 to 3 days. A further 8 trains enter service from Morden Depot during the evening peak, as per the timetable all but 2 of these are trains which came in from elsewhere -- although in reality things can and do vary due to reformations in service, and also for example the train going in as T160 at the end of the morning might then become stopped for work and a different train might come out. Compared to some mainline operations, and considering the tunnel environment, in my opinion LU trains are generally turned out in a pretty presentable state. The A and C stocks in their final years were an exception. |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 25, 2015 13:23:28 GMT
Indeed, most trains are very well presented (externally at least, internally there is far more variation). I guess the train we boarded must just have been overdue a wash for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 16:47:02 GMT
My pic train this morning was amazingly clean inside. The floors were shining very bright.
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Post by fish7373 on Aug 26, 2015 15:16:10 GMT
Indeed, most trains are very well presented (externally at least, internally there is far more variation). I guess the train we boarded must just have been overdue a wash for some reason. HI picc wash only at cockfosters depot.FISH7373 |
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Post by hobbayne on Aug 26, 2015 16:33:08 GMT
Is there any washing facility at Hainault depot? It's also accessible from Grange Hill, though I'm not certain whether it's accessible from both platforms, or just platform 2. The road has codes. Yes, you can access the wash from both platforms at GRH |
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Post by sawb on Aug 26, 2015 20:03:56 GMT
Agree with above comments, it's interesting to see what state trains turn up in. As someone who uses the Central and Picc frequently, the Picc always seems to be marginally dirtier than the Central. The District seems to be so clean you can pretty much have your tea off the floor of most trains, if it wasn't for the fact taht was where people stood
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 26, 2015 20:22:17 GMT
Tell you what, compared to when I was using them regularly (1978-89), today's Tube trains are pristine.
The newer layouts help inside, but I've noticed very few dirty windows inside or out, compared to 30 years ago, and even the old stock looked to've been washed thoroughly within the last 24 hours.
Especially compared to the state of the average street outside these days, which is more and more litter-strewn.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 26, 2015 20:27:18 GMT
Tell you what, compared to when I was using them regularly (1978-89), today's Tube trains are pristine. The newer layouts help inside, but I've noticed very few dirty windows inside or out, compared to 30 years ago, and even the old stock looked to've been washed thoroughly within the last 24 hours. Especially compared to the state of the average street outside these days, which is more and more litter-strewn. I'd agree with that. The Underground was pretty filthy from the late 70's to the mid 80's, and looked very tatty and run down. I suppose you could say that it had "character" . . . |
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 26, 2015 20:45:48 GMT
Tell you what, compared to when I was using them regularly (1978-89), today's Tube trains are pristine. The newer layouts help inside, but I've noticed very few dirty windows inside or out, compared to 30 years ago, and even the old stock looked to've been washed thoroughly within the last 24 hours. Especially compared to the state of the average street outside these days, which is more and more litter-strewn. I'd agree with that. The Underground was pretty filthy from the late 70's to the mid 80's, and looked very tatty and run down. I suppose you could say that it had "character" . . . Yeh, there's place for character & attitude indeed, but a mass public transport system isn't it! I'd not swap yesterday's Tube 'ambience' for today's if I had the choice, as it also smells (usually) a damn sight cleaner too! |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 26, 2015 20:59:55 GMT
I'd agree with that. The Underground was pretty filthy from the late 70's to the mid 80's, and looked very tatty and run down. I suppose you could say that it had "character" . . . Yeh, there's place for character & attitude indeed, but a mass public transport system isn't it! I'd not swap yesterday's Tube 'ambience' for today's if I had the choice, as it also smells (usually) a damn sight cleaner too! I do miss the old tube smell though. Anyone who used the Underground pre early 90's will know what I'm talking about. It wasn't an unpleasant smell, but it's quite hard to describe! |
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 26, 2015 21:37:41 GMT
Still available on Merseyrail!
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Post by superteacher on Aug 26, 2015 22:07:43 GMT
We could create our very own range of fragrances:
Eau de Bakerloo 38 anyone?
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Post by theblackferret on Aug 26, 2015 22:10:15 GMT
We could create our very own range of fragrances: Eau de Bakerloo 38 anyone? The grating sound you are now hearing is not the brakes being applied to D-stock. It's Coco Chanel spinning in her grave. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Aug 26, 2015 22:40:55 GMT
Yeh, there's place for character & attitude indeed, but a mass public transport system isn't it! I'd not swap yesterday's Tube 'ambience' for today's if I had the choice, as it also smells (usually) a damn sight cleaner too! I do miss the old tube smell though. Anyone who used the Underground pre early 90's will know what I'm talking about. It wasn't an unpleasant smell, but it's quite hard to describe! You still get a whiff of it every now and then! In fact, King's Cross Met has been rather pungent today... |
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Post by superteacher on Aug 26, 2015 22:44:20 GMT
Yes, you do still get the occasional whiff here and there. When I do, it transports me back to the ear,y 80's. It's amazing how certain sensations can do that.
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Post by towerman on Aug 28, 2015 11:35:02 GMT
Latr running & cold weather conditions & train washing goes out the window.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 14:12:03 GMT
Yeh, there's place for character & attitude indeed, but a mass public transport system isn't it! I'd not swap yesterday's Tube 'ambience' for today's if I had the choice, as it also smells (usually) a damn sight cleaner too! I do miss the old tube smell though. Anyone who used the Underground pre early 90's will know what I'm talking about. It wasn't an unpleasant smell, but it's quite hard to describe! Yes the old brake block smell, I still remember it as a kid but assumed it was still there as over 30 years working on the job I thought I'd became oblivious to it. |
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