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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 16:51:32 GMT
Hi i found this video about the Picadilly line going driver only operated it's also references the Met Circle H&C and District already being DOO.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 29, 2015 17:21:50 GMT
August 1987. I think the Bakerloo and Jubilee went OPO in 1989, the Central in 1995 and the Northern in 2000.
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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 29, 2015 17:55:47 GMT
Very interesting clip.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:45:02 GMT
In hindsight they ought to have installed emergency stop plungers on the Piccadilly Line platforms, which sets the signals to red for one train length beyond the platform in an emergency, before introducing one person trains.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 29, 2015 20:07:39 GMT
In hindsight they ought to have installed emergency stop plungers on the Piccadilly Line platforms, which sets the signals to red for one train length beyond the platform in an emergency, before introducing one person trains. What is your justification for this?
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Post by revupminster on Jul 29, 2015 20:55:26 GMT
I was at Parsons Green when it went driver only. It was either late 1984 or early 1985. I was the depot clerk at the time and was not allowed to transfer to another job, nearer home, until it was completed even though I had been transferred to another job nearer home sometime before.
There were about 100 drivers and 100 guards and after 120 drivers. The guards, were always emergency drivers and some were guard/driver paid as a driver when driving and when they had done enough duties as a driver would be paid permanently as a driver and would be used for more driving duties than guard duties.
Leading up to driver only, the yardmasters and myself were told to let the drivers do almost what they liked so as not to rock the boat ie; pay overtime, time off, change of duties, no deductions if late.
On Christmas Eve 1984 I remember taking home the timebooks home so I could put the timesheets in on Boxing day. I had a short day on Boxing day using the car to get to Parsons Green. I enjoyed working there but it was a funny old depot where the yardmasters also supervised the station.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 29, 2015 21:16:43 GMT
I imagine the job changed a lot when the guards went in much the same way as when the conductors went from the buses. Always sounded like more of a laugh when working in a pair.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 29, 2015 21:22:40 GMT
I was at Parsons Green when it went driver only. It was either late 1984 or early 1985. 4 November 1985, 30yrs ago this November.
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 29, 2015 21:49:46 GMT
There was an amnesty for the drivers when the Picc went opo. In the event of doors opening wrong side or between stations there would be no action taken against the driver. My heavily pregnant girlfriend was standing by the double doors on a packed train between Osterley and Nounslow East, when the train stopped at a signal and the driver opened the doors and she nearly fell out!! This was a few days after opo came in.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 29, 2015 22:48:18 GMT
In hindsight they ought to have installed emergency stop plungers on the Piccadilly Line platforms, which sets the signals to red for one train length beyond the platform in an emergency, before introducing one person trains. What is your justification for this? That's a conversation for a separate thread, please.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 22:52:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 1:21:42 GMT
I imagine the job changed a lot when the guards went in much the same way as when the conductors went from the buses. Always sounded like more of a laugh when working in a pair. It certainly was a more social job when we had Guards. I was on the Central when the 92's came in and once the Guards went you could sit alone in the canteen on meal relief in silence which was unheard of pre OPO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 1:33:22 GMT
I imagine the job changed a lot when the guards went in much the same way as when the conductors went from the buses. Always sounded like more of a laugh when working in a pair. It certainly was a more social job when we had Guards. I was on the Central when the 92's came in and once the Guards went you could sit alone in the canteen on meal relief in silence which was unheard of pre OPO. How was the changeover managed? The posts above make it sound like, on the District at least, you had a full complement of guards one day and then none the next (is that true, by the way?) But obviously with OPO on the Central, the number of guards you needed would've depended on the progress of the introduction of 1992 stock. What did the guards do when their drivers were driving 92s? And what if a 92 was unavailable and had to be substituted by a 62 at short notice?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 1:49:16 GMT
It certainly was a more social job when we had Guards. I was on the Central when the 92's came in and once the Guards went you could sit alone in the canteen on meal relief in silence which was unheard of pre OPO. How was the changeover managed? The posts above make it sound like, on the District at least, you had a full complement of guards one day and then none the next (is that true, by the way?) But obviously with OPO on the Central, the number of guards you needed would've depended on the progress of the introduction of 1992 stock. What did the guards do when their drivers were driving 92s? And what if a 92 was unavailable and had to be substituted by a 62 at short notice? All Guards remained on the Central ine until the last 62 went. If their first train was a 92 they would just sit around and if their second train was a 92 they used to disappear and go home. Once the last 62 went they were sent to the Northern line or training for driver or the stations whichever they requested.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 1:55:24 GMT
I see Thanks!
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Post by superteacher on Jul 30, 2015 7:24:45 GMT
How was the changeover managed? The posts above make it sound like, on the District at least, you had a full complement of guards one day and then none the next (is that true, by the way?) But obviously with OPO on the Central, the number of guards you needed would've depended on the progress of the introduction of 1992 stock. What did the guards do when their drivers were driving 92s? And what if a 92 was unavailable and had to be substituted by a 62 at short notice? All Guards remained on the Central ine until the last 62 went. If their first train was a 92 they would just sit around and if their second train was a 92 they used to disappear and go home. Once the last 62 went they were sent to the Northern line or training for driver or the stations whichever they requested. From memory and looking back through Underground News, it seems like some guards actually went before the final 62 stock. There were certain workings that were designated for 92 stock only for which no guard was rostered. This was done in, I think, three phases. I also remember that there were issues after service disruption when trains were reformed. There was one occasion at White City when a train was reformed into a working that had no guard rostered, and it sat there for ages with a driver trying to explain to someone that "it's supposed to be a 92 so we need a relief guard."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 15:14:13 GMT
All Guards remained on the Central ine until the last 62 went. If their first train was a 92 they would just sit around and if their second train was a 92 they used to disappear and go home. Once the last 62 went they were sent to the Northern line or training for driver or the stations whichever they requested. From memory and looking back through Underground News, it seems like some guards actually went before the final 62 stock. There were certain workings that were designated for 92 stock only for which no guard was rostered. This was done in, I think, three phases. I also remember that there were issues after service disruption when trains were reformed. There was one occasion at White City when a train was reformed into a working that had no guard rostered, and it sat there for ages with a driver trying to explain to someone that "it's supposed to be a 92 so we need a relief guard." The Guards rosters were separated from the drivers and reduced but the bulk went once the 62's went. There were several occasions when trains were reformed from a 92 into a 62 at both Leytonstone and White City during disruptions where the Guard vanished and searches for a spare delayed the services even more so.
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