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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 13, 2015 14:50:49 GMT
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Post by trt on Jul 13, 2015 15:01:04 GMT
Well, he deserved it for being an arrogant git and trying to run away from the police instead of just apologising and being civil.
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Post by Tubeboy on Jul 13, 2015 15:05:36 GMT
I agree trt. A quick sorry and I think it could have been avoided.
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Post by class411 on Jul 13, 2015 15:48:40 GMT
Which trains used (or still use) a power socket that looks like a normal 13A domestic socket but has the earth pin rotated through 90 degrees?
I know I remember seeing it in years past (before laptops and iWhatevers), and thinking they were being a bit precious when no one was likely to bring any mains powered equipment on a train. (Although if they used equipment at a different voltage it would make sense to ensure no one plugged any standard mains equipment into the socket.)
As soon as laptops became ubiquitous all sorts of people had problems with people 'abstracting' electricity and hogging shaver sockets and suchlike.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 13, 2015 18:41:39 GMT
The Guardian also picked up the story. Well worth a read that article ;-)
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Post by metrailway on Jul 13, 2015 19:04:49 GMT
The Guardian also picked up the story. Well worth a read that article ;-) Nice to see the Graun giving this forum a plug... |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jul 13, 2015 20:09:36 GMT
The Guardian also picked up the story. Well worth a read that article ;-) I particularly like the bit at the end: "Last week, 19-year-old Nick Silvestri hit the headlines in New York after jumping on stage before a Broadway play in an attempt to charge his phone – at a fake socket which was part of the set. He said his phone had 5% left as “girls were calling all day”."What at a swaggeringly good excuse. Of course if mobile phones had been easily available when I was 19, mine would have been completely flat.......  |
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 13, 2015 22:47:58 GMT
I am alarmed that this was a "hobby bobby" flexing their muscles and waving a big stick. Reminds me of what happened in Walthamstow to a tourist photographing buses and at Upminster when someone was trying to film Sarah Siddens.
OK, if the man was abusive then he was in the wrong, but was he abusive? - or was the PCSO just trying to extract a humble apology, and peeved because the man was refusing to effectively bow down to authority and worship the floor they stand on? Such an expectation is unacceptable in the present era.
If I was in that situation it would feel degrading to be forced to do this.
If this was to happen in an area of racial tension then it could result in very severe unpleasantness - of the sort that no-one would wish to see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 1:19:18 GMT
What at a swaggeringly good excuse. Of course if mobile phones had been easily available when I was 19, mine would have been completely flat....... Mobile phones were easily available when I was 19. Always made sure mine never ran out of battery. Just in case. Just in case. Never know do ya?  |
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Post by philthetube on Jul 14, 2015 3:45:05 GMT
I would not want to charge anything of value on a cleaners socket, I would not trust the power supply to be constant, a socket which is designed to be used by cleaners when the train is stationary could be subject to surges or fluctuations in supply
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Post by trt on Jul 14, 2015 9:23:54 GMT
Which trains used (or still use) a power socket that looks like a normal 13A domestic socket but has the earth pin rotated through 90 degrees? I know I remember seeing it in years past (before laptops and iWhatevers), and thinking they were being a bit precious when no one was likely to bring any mains powered equipment on a train. (Although if they used equipment at a different voltage it would make sense to ensure no one plugged any standard mains equipment into the socket.) As soon as laptops became ubiquitous all sorts of people had problems with people 'abstracting' electricity and hogging shaver sockets and suchlike. The Walsall Gauge socket. We used to use those for the clean earth supply for our DEC PDP11s. |
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Post by trt on Jul 14, 2015 9:25:29 GMT
... when I was 19, mine would have been completely flat....... Much like the girls that used to call me at that age...  |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 14, 2015 10:33:17 GMT
I am afraid I'm taking the minority view here. Having had several encounters with PCSOs for the "crime" of possessing a camera in a public place then I think the PCSO completely overreacted and blew the whole thing out of proportion. I have been accused of being a terrorist for having a camera outside Turnpike Lane station "because you can't take photos near "security sensitive" stations" according to Dumbo the PCSO.
This was despite me asking what offence I had committed under the relevant legislation (none actually). The PCSO was unable to say what offence has been committed.
This was despite me telling the PCSO I was a LU employee and showing relevant ID.
This was despite me pointing out that my job covered all the stations on the Piccadilly Line and I probably knew more about the stations than any "terrorist" ever could.
When a real Met Police Officer stopped in his car at the PCSO's request the real Police Officer told him to stop wasting everyone's time and drove off. This sort of cr*p nonsensical approach by PCSOs has happened to me three times and each time the result has been the same - no action by a real PC. I have raised my treatment with one of the BTP Commanders when I met them in a meeting I used to attend regularly as part of my LU duties. They said the PCSO actions in each case were wrong and completely over the top. If that's what a top cop thinks then I'm inclined to accept their viewpoint.
Therefore I firmly believe the PCSO's actions in this case exacerbated the issue. A very simple "would you please stop charging your device" request followed by an explanation that it was not permitted and that the electrical supply might damage consumer equipment would have done the job and not raised the temperature at all. Summoning 4 BTP officers onto the train and triggering an arrest which was later reversed just shows the situation was mishandled and poor reactions triggered on all sides. There are ways to handle these things and my experience of PCSOs is such that I believe them to be poorly trained and to not have the right skills in judging people and approaching them appropriately. They believe the uniform should make people acquiesce and that simply isn't the case.
I accept my experience colours my view here but this whole thing is turning into a PR disaster for the BTP and potentially LOROL / TfL because of the media taking up the issue.
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Post by domh245 on Jul 14, 2015 11:55:15 GMT
I doubt that the PCSO would have known why the sockets aren't for public use (surges mainly) and was definitely overreacting with the 'absconding electricity' charge, but the artist didn't do himself any favours by
A) Not accepting that he was wrong in the first place and removing the charger
B) Arguing to the extent that the PCSO felt it necessary to ask for the BTP to assist
C) Trying to barge past/evade the BTP officers on the platform. I'm certain that had he just explained the situation he's have been let off
What if it had been an RPI that asked him to remove the plug? There would almost certainly have been more universal dismissal of the artist as a bit of a twot, but because of the PCSO (and their overreaction) it has become more focused on them.
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Post by class411 on Jul 14, 2015 13:43:22 GMT
The Walsall Gauge socket. We used to use those for the clean earth supply for our DEC PDP11s. Ahhh, PDP11's. From back in the day when computers were real computers. With switches ... and flashing lights ... and DEC-Tapes! Drifts off into a happy world of PDPx's and 1962 stock and ticket collectors ... |
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Post by spsmiler on Jul 14, 2015 22:19:07 GMT
I would not want to charge anything of value on a cleaners socket, I would not trust the power supply to be constant, a socket which is designed to be used by cleaners when the train is stationary could be subject to surges or fluctuations in supply Very few people would even consider this as a possibility. Even the man involved has said that if his device needed charging again then he would use this socket again. I saw him saying this on the TV news. Simon |
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Post by phillw48 on Jul 14, 2015 22:46:11 GMT
Hopefully next time he does it there will be a power surge enough to fry his i-player or whatever he plugged into it.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 14, 2015 23:08:25 GMT
I would hope that most chargers have surge protection anyway. Even if they don't, it would be the charger that would be fried rather than the phone itself.
It seems very petty of the TOC not to allow charging anyway - many TOCs do, so the bloke could have been forgiven for believing that he could on this one. After all, the main reason I use my phone on the train is to tell people it's late again, or to look at real time running data to see if bailing out for a different route is an option.
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Post by bassmike on Jul 15, 2015 9:56:08 GMT
Judging by the excessive fares charged by T O C's they could well afford the minimal power needed to re-charge these items.
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Post by John Tuthill on Jul 15, 2015 10:33:17 GMT
The Guardian also picked up the story. Well worth a read that article ;-) ... It's the 'new plod speak' that makes me cringe. "He was DE-ARRESTED"(!!  ) What ever happened to 'released without charge?' Having never travelled on these trains, maybe someone can enlighten me: 1)Are these sockets in a conspicuous location, and 2) Are they labelled e.g. "For staff use only"? |
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Post by class411 on Jul 15, 2015 10:52:06 GMT
Nice to see the Graun giving this forum a plug... It's the 'new plod speak' that makes me cringe. "He was DE-ARRESTED"(!! ) What ever happened to 'released without charge?' The two things are not the same. A fact of which I was unaware until a few months back, when there was a side box about it alongside an article about some other incident, in which it which was stated that someone was de-arrested. You might be de-arrested if, for example, it transpired that there had been a case of mistaken identity. Or, presumably, if the officer exceeded his authority and arrested someone for something that was not an indictable offence. Released without charge generally implies that either you attended the police station voluntarily and the police cannot at that time make a case, or the police did not think the case worth any further action. I have seen some marked 'Not for Public Use', and other that are unmarked. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Jul 15, 2015 11:15:26 GMT
It's the 'new plod speak' that makes me cringe. "He was DE-ARRESTED"(!! ) What ever happened to 'released without charge?' A fact of which I was unaware until a few months back, when there was a side box about it alongside an article about some other incident, in which it which was stated that someone was de-arrested. You might be de-arrested if, for example, it transpired that there had been a case of mistaken identity. Or, presumably, if the officer exceeded his authority and arrested someone for something that was not an indictable offence. Released without charge generally implies that either you attended the police station voluntarily and the police cannot at that time make a case, or the police did not think the case worth any further action. I have seen some marked 'Not for Public Use', and other that are unmarked. Thanks for the info. It's just that it sounded so strange. Can't imagine Jack Regan saying, "George de-arrest him, he's de-nicked." |
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Post by Chris M on Jul 15, 2015 12:19:22 GMT
I learned a while ago that although everyone has the power to make a citizen's arrest, only police officers can de-arrest somebody even after a citizen's arrest.
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) What ever happened to 'released without charge?' Having never travelled on these trains, maybe someone can enlighten me: 1)Are these sockets in a conspicuous location, and 2) Are they labelled e.g. "For staff use only"?
