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Post by jetblast787 on Jun 26, 2015 5:15:45 GMT
Just got on a service at white City fresh out the depot (a but late however as they had issues with a train coming out of white city) heading West to Ealing. Instead of announcing Ealing as the destination, Sonia decided it's going to be Tottenham Court Road.
Which made me wonder, has there been any turns at TCR? if not, what reason would it have of having that announcement? Surely they don't terminate at TCR then turnback at British museum disused?.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 26, 2015 11:48:18 GMT
Did she get confused about the not stopping at TCR?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 14:54:04 GMT
In the old days, before the resignalling, there used to be a wrong-road shunt signal (I believe it was CC8, though I haven't got a diagram to check) between Tottenham Court Road and Holborn on the eastbound road. This allowed trains from the eastbound road to shunt back into British Museum siding. So the train would terminate at Tottenham Court Road and proceed empty to the limit of shunt. The driver would then change ends and put it in the siding. From there you can go to the eastbound and westbound platform.
Why? Dunno really. Guess it makes a good bolt hole. Also if a train's sat down in the platform at Holborn and you need to clear the platform at Tottenham Court Road, perhaps it could come in handy.
Also I think there was (is?) a rail-gap indicator outside the platform at Holborn eastbound. I'm not sure where the Holborn-Liverpool Street traction current section starts, but perhaps this facility was used to put a train in British Museum siding, even when the traction current in Holborn's eastbound platform had been discharged.
Today, this facility has been removed and there is no such shunt move. Any train terminating at Tottenham Court Road would have to then run empty to Holborn eastbound and shunt back to British Museum siding (and therefore might as well terminate at Holborn). Why Tottenham Court Road remains a destination on the 1992 stock, but there doesn't seem to be a plain "Grange Hill" destination for trains terminating there from the Hainault direction, I do not know.
Would a train ever be taken out at TCR and run empty to Holborn to reverse? Well, maybe. If, perhaps, Holborn's platform was already super busy, say. I was once on a Picc train reversing east to west at King's Cross, which terminated at Russell Square. I gather that's quite common.
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Post by programmes1 on Jun 26, 2015 16:21:10 GMT
In the old days, before the resignalling, there used to be a wrong-road shunt signal (I believe it was CC8, though I haven't got a diagram to check) between Tottenham Court Road and Holborn on the eastbound road. This allowed trains from the eastbound road to shunt back into British Museum siding. So the train would terminate at Tottenham Court Road and proceed empty to the limit of shunt. The driver would then change ends and put it in the siding. From there you can go to the eastbound and westbound platform. Why? Dunno really. Guess it makes a good bolt hole. Also if a train's sat down in the platform at Holborn and you need to clear the platform at Tottenham Court Road, perhaps it could come in handy. Also I think there was (is?) a rail-gap indicator outside the platform at Holborn eastbound. I'm not sure where the Holborn-Liverpool Street traction current section starts, but perhaps this facility was used to put a train in British Museum siding, even when the traction current in Holborn's eastbound platform had been discharged. Today, this facility has been removed and there is no such shunt move. Any train terminating at Tottenham Court Road would have to then run empty to Holborn eastbound and shunt back to British Museum siding (and therefore might as well terminate at Holborn). Why Tottenham Court Road remains a destination on the 1992 stock, but there doesn't seem to be a plain "Grange Hill" destination for trains terminating there from the Hainault direction, I do not know. Would a train ever be taken out at TCR and run empty to Holborn to reverse? Well, maybe. If, perhaps, Holborn's platform was already super busy, say. I was once on a Picc train reversing east to west at King's Cross, which terminated at Russell Square. I gather that's quite common. tut, You are right it was shunt CC8 back into the siding. Now trains have to go to Holborn and reverse back via HOL4354, I suspect that running empty would be due to possible high numbers of people waiting on the platform at Holborn and then there would be operational problems.
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Post by hobbayne on Jun 27, 2015 12:08:21 GMT
The reason they tip out at TCR EB is because the driver cant access the rear cab at HOL as it overhangs the platform
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Post by programmes1 on Jun 28, 2015 6:18:49 GMT
The reason they tip out at TCR EB is because the driver cant access the rear cab at HOL as it overhangs the platform Yes I forgot that although they can access via the doors that can be opened on that car. The berth for Holborn EB platform between signals HOL4354 and HOL4361 is 138m, but the signals are in the tunnel.
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Post by hobbayne on Jun 28, 2015 12:15:29 GMT
Yes, but you will need someone to close them once the driver has boarded. Unless the driver walks through the train.
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Post by programmes1 on Jun 28, 2015 12:21:37 GMT
Yes, but you will need someone to close them once the driver has boarded. Unless the driver walks through the train. Some stocks have a door that is opened from the outside and once on the same door can be closed from the inside.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 23:04:12 GMT
So just to confirm:
The point is that you can't access the rear cab at Holborn eastbound from the platform. As a result, carrying out the standard detraining procedure would leave the T/Op stuck on the platform, unable to board the train at the rear. I guess you'd have to walk all the way up the train to the front cab and then walk all the way down it again?
As a result, occasionally the train may be tipped out at Tottenham Court Road and then driven to Holborn empty. There the T/Op simply walks down the train to the rear cab?
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Presumably this is a far from insurmountable problem, though, if needs be? Surely it would be easy to simply close the doors of the seven other cars, board the rear car and then close the doors from the cab, checking that the car is empty by looking out of the J door? Or is that not possible? I also often see the doors of the front two cars closed with the porter buttons at Woodford, without the T/Op ever setting foot on the platform - the buttons are presumably operated from the walkway/coupler between cars. Is this practise simply not really encouraged? Or, as you say, a handy member of station staff can close the doors on car 8.
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Post by hobbayne on Jun 30, 2015 9:38:42 GMT
Possibly, but its the drivers responsibility to do it by the book. Failure to do so, and any incident that may arise will leave to T op open to a disciplinary.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 10:36:32 GMT
Possibly, but its the drivers responsibility to do it by the book. Failure to do so, and any incident that may arise will leave to T op open to a disciplinary. Of course, no doubt about that. I just thought that the book might provide for at least one of these options, or else there might be some reason why it doesn't that I was overlooking.
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Post by programmes1 on Jun 30, 2015 10:48:03 GMT
Possibly, but its the drivers responsibility to do it by the book. Failure to do so, and any incident that may arise will leave to T op open to a disciplinary. Of course, no doubt about that. I just thought that the book might provide for at least one of these options, or else there might be some reason why it doesn't that I was overlooking. I would have thought that at certain times trains could run to Holborn and detrain as everyone would be leaving the platform so no problem with two way traffic so to speak. In these days of platform train interface issues then who knows. As they are cutting staff then it's best to be safe than sorry, the drivers have more than enough on their plate to worry about.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 30, 2015 22:55:25 GMT
There is a similar problem when reversing trains from west to east via the sidings at Liverpool Street in that the cab at the east end of the westbound platform is in the tunnel. The driver got into the cab by operating the butterfly cock to open the doors, closing the cock then making a dash to get in the door before it closed!
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 16, 2015 21:33:18 GMT
Does anyone know whether the sidings at Holborn were in operation while the old Museum station was still open? I know that Down Street sdgs were commsioned after the closure of Down St station.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 16, 2015 21:56:18 GMT
Does anyone know whether the sidings at Holborn were in operation while the old Museum station was still open? . Apparently so, according to the comments here
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Post by abe on Jul 19, 2015 17:46:11 GMT
The sidings at Queensway, Marble Arch, and British Museum all opened with the CLR in 1900.
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Post by hobbayne on Jul 19, 2015 21:46:00 GMT
The sidings at Queensway, Marble Arch, and British Museum all opened with the CLR in 1900. Cheers Abe. The siding at Queensway now long gone, has been replaced by a little used crossover
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Post by abe on Jul 20, 2015 5:36:01 GMT
I recall from somewhere (possibly a thread on this board) that the tight curvature of the crossover at Queensway was a problem for modern rolling stock, and that at least one train of 1962 TS ended up with a broken stabling light as a result of using it.
Out of interest, Queensway had both a crossover and a reversing siding when it opened, the crossover overlapping with the siding entrance on the WB road.
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Post by hobbayne on Aug 19, 2015 7:48:51 GMT
Incidentally, The hoarding towards the west end of the westbound platform has been moved back, allowing us to see the newly re-tiled portion of the platform. The terrible green mosaic has been removed.
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Post by Tom on Aug 22, 2015 8:23:29 GMT
The sidings at Queensway, Marble Arch, and British Museum all opened with the CLR in 1900. Cheers Abe. The siding at Queensway now long gone, has been replaced by a little used crossover Indeed so, there are still a handful of 1898 CLR rail chairs in situ.
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Post by Chris W on Oct 14, 2015 18:40:24 GMT
Today I traveled from Liverpool Street to Oxford Street.... slowing as we passed through Tottenham Court Road.
The full height screens weren't there... with half height barriers separating the train from the lit platform. Workman were putting up white tiles (the beige and green tiling has gone), however I did note that some of the mosaic's by Sir Eduardo Paolozzi are still present mid-way along the westbound platform.
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Post by superteacher on Oct 14, 2015 19:50:41 GMT
Today I traveled from Liverpool Street to Oxford Street.... slowing as we passed through Tottenham Court Road. The full height screens weren't there... with half height barriers separating the train from the lit platform. Workman were putting up white tiles (the beige and green tiling has gone), however I did note that some of the mosaic's by Sir Eduardo Paolozzi are still present mid-way along the westbound platform. There was an agreement to preserve part of the mosaic for posterity.
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Post by rsdworker on Oct 14, 2015 20:42:42 GMT
looks like the central line platforms is nearly ready to open cause full screens are gone
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Post by Chris W on Oct 15, 2015 19:42:17 GMT
There was an agreement to preserve part of the mosaic for posterity. I was aware I just didn't know which ones were to remain a part of TCR From memory it was only those towards the middle, whilst those towards the ends of the westbound platform are no longer there
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 16:31:52 GMT
Are they gonna do further work on TCR? I noticed a distinct lack of advertising space on the new escalators, gaps borders over (and I don't mean access to crossrail or the central line). The northern line platforms could do with sprucing up too!
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Post by humbug on Nov 23, 2015 13:10:27 GMT
Can they please hurry up and re-open TCR? :-)
I frequently walk from Oxford Circus to the 100 Club or Borderline for gigs, and it's getting pretty cold!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 23, 2015 15:01:41 GMT
Can they please hurry up and re-open TCR? :-) I frequently walk from Oxford Circus to the 100 Club or Borderline for gigs, and it's getting pretty cold! Just 13 days left of walking in cold, scheduled to re-open Mon 7 December.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 2, 2015 21:18:17 GMT
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 2, 2015 22:29:34 GMT
so when step free lifts should be in service - i asked over twitter but no reply so i think 2016? or later when other parts are finished? cause i saw sign saying lift on central line platform photo
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Post by North End on Dec 3, 2015 0:52:43 GMT
I'd say we almost certainly will. The official term is a "soft" opening (who comes up with these things?!), and I've already seen this mentioned in respect of this. I wonder if this is a Northern Line thing, as we've seen it before at TCR (a Northern-managed station), and for the various TBTC commissionings.
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