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Post by dazz285 on Jul 2, 2015 16:07:32 GMT
TfL have issued a press release to confirm that the contract for new trains for West Anglia, Romminster, GOBLIN and Watford DC lines has been signed with Bombardier after the end of the contract standstill period. Regrettably there is no real technical detail about the trains in the release and there has not been an accompanying release from Bombardier (yet). I've been checking the Bombardier site for days but nothing of relevance has appeared. tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/tfl-signs-contract-with-bombardier-transportation-for-new-trainsYou & me both snoggle... |
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Jul 2, 2015 16:10:35 GMT
TfL have issued a press release to confirm that the contract for new trains for West Anglia, Romminster, GOBLIN and Watford DC lines has been signed with Bombardier after the end of the contract standstill period. Regrettably there is no real technical detail about the trains in the release and there has not been an accompanying release from Bombardier (yet). I've been checking the Bombardier site for days but nothing of relevance has appeared. tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/tfl-signs-contract-with-bombardier-transportation-for-new-trainsI predict they'll be long thin white and blue things with orange doors and yellow bits on the front and back featuring a seating arrangement guaranteed to create apoplexy in Waltham Forest and surrounding boroughs.  Seriously, I'm sure that when the specification is revealed shortly, it'll be interesting to see how far it deviates from the 378s in terms of passenger carrying capability. I'm also sure that TfL have made their decision based on the highest capacity possible. |
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Post by ashlar on Jul 3, 2015 7:56:04 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Jul 3, 2015 8:34:26 GMT
Well there are a couple of things which are different. Apparently 31 are AC overhead only for West Anglia while the balance of 14 trains are dual voltage. The other thing that is different is that the options number is for 24 extra 4 car units which is somewhat at odds with the TfL authority paper which said options existed for up to 249 cars. Railway Gazette have commented about the voltage split - I guess it aligns with maintenance capabilities at the different locations and obviously the Watford stock has to be dual voltage. The base order is 180 cars. The authority paper increment is 69 cars. The Bombardier press release says up to 96 extra cars (4 x 24 units).  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 8:59:02 GMT
Well there are a couple of things which are different. Apparently 31 are AC overhead only for West Anglia while the balance of 14 trains are dual voltage. The other thing that is different is that the options number is for 24 extra 4 car units which is somewhat at odds with the TfL authority paper which said options existed for up to 249 cars. Railway Gazette have commented about the voltage split - I guess it aligns with maintenance capabilities at the different locations and obviously the Watford stock has to be dual voltage. The base order is 180 cars. The authority paper increment is 69 cars. The Bombardier press release says up to 96 extra cars (4 x 24 units). Why are Goblin trains to be dual voltage? Apologies if the answer's staring me in the face. |
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Post by snoggle on Jul 3, 2015 9:13:21 GMT
Well there are a couple of things which are different. Apparently 31 are AC overhead only for West Anglia while the balance of 14 trains are dual voltage. The other thing that is different is that the options number is for 24 extra 4 car units which is somewhat at odds with the TfL authority paper which said options existed for up to 249 cars. Railway Gazette have commented about the voltage split - I guess it aligns with maintenance capabilities at the different locations and obviously the Watford stock has to be dual voltage. The base order is 180 cars. The authority paper increment is 69 cars. The Bombardier press release says up to 96 extra cars (4 x 24 units). Why are Goblin trains to be dual voltage? Apologies if the answer's staring me in the face. Haven't seen an explanation. My guess is that they'll be maintained at Willesden which already is familiar with dual voltage stock. Also a wider pool of dual voltage stock gives flexibility to swap trains between the Watford and GOBLIN routes. I also wouldn't be shocked if the Aventras end up being cleared to run on the NLL / WLL in time so there's a wider pool of trains for the operator to use. Obviously they will be cleared to run G Oak to Willesden regardless. Happy to be corrected if someone knows better. |
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Post by class315 on Jul 3, 2015 9:15:51 GMT
Well there are a couple of things which are different. Apparently 31 are AC overhead only for West Anglia while the balance of 14 trains are dual voltage. The other thing that is different is that the options number is for 24 extra 4 car units which is somewhat at odds with the TfL authority paper which said options existed for up to 249 cars. Railway Gazette have commented about the voltage split - I guess it aligns with maintenance capabilities at the different locations and obviously the Watford stock has to be dual voltage. The base order is 180 cars. The authority paper increment is 69 cars. The Bombardier press release says up to 96 extra cars (4 x 24 units). Why are Goblin trains to be dual voltage? Apologies if the answer's staring me in the face. I suspect that once the new stock arrives, The West Anglia fleet will be maintained at Ilford, if that still is the case. The Goblin trains will be electrified with OHL's and continued to maintained at Willesden, where the Watford Line trains which use DC current. The fleet allocated to Willesden will most probably be intermixed thus the need for dual voltage capacity trains. |
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