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Post by Red Dragon on Jun 2, 2015 16:29:09 GMT
Could anyone tell me if there are any odd (maybe one return a day) London Overground trains and their timings? Much obliged.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 16:41:49 GMT
I can tell you there are (two per day, I think) rare workings to Battersea Park. I'm sure someone'll be along with the timings soon enough, though they should be easy to find, but this forum does have a policy about rare and unusual workings, Rule 7.1.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 2, 2015 17:18:28 GMT
Could anyone tell me if there are any odd (maybe one return a day) London Overground trains and their timings? Much obliged. They have inherited one from Abellio. It's the 0531 Liverpool St to Enfield Town on Saturday mornings only. It runs via Clapton, South Tottenham and the single track curve up to Seven Sisters. The info can be verified in Open Train Times and is shown as a public service in the timetable. On this basis it's in the public domain and I trust I haven't breached forum rules.
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Post by Red Dragon on Jun 2, 2015 17:30:29 GMT
I can tell you there are (two per day, I think) rare workings to Battersea Park. I'm sure someone'll be along with the timings soon enough, though they should be easy to find, but this forum does have a policy about rare and unusual workings, Rule 7.1. I hope I haven't breached any of the rules, I was a bit vague. I only want to find out about the services like the one above (the Battersea Park service) which information on is quite hard to find. Thanks.
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Post by domh245 on Jun 2, 2015 17:33:02 GMT
The rare workings to/from battersea park are the following: 0618 Battersea Park - H&I 2217 H&I - Battersea Park (Arrive 2300) 2309 Battersea Park - Clapham High Street These operate monday - friday, with no trains on saturday. On Sunday, there is one passenger service which is the 0722 Battersea Park - H&I This is all available on Realtimetrains (that one is for the 5th)
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 2, 2015 17:36:24 GMT
I understand Rule 7.1 is intended to cover special workings, such as new stock deliveries, scrap runs etc, rather than infrequent services which nevertheless appear in the public timetable such as the Olympia shuttle. The 0531 Saturdays only Liverpool Street to Enfield is probably the oddest. The route is via Clapton and South Tottenham, but it runs non-stop between Hackney Downs and Seven Sisters. The Battersea Park runs are every weekday - an unbalanced departure at 0618 and an in-and-out at 2300/2309. The daily 0802 Wanstead Park to Willesden Junction, which passes Gospel Oak without stopping (as there is no access from the bay platform to the NLL) at about 0830 I was amused to discover that the nearest station to Brondesbury Park is nearly twenty miles away, and only sees five trains a day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 17:51:05 GMT
I'm not 100% sure about Rule 7.1, but I don't think our new member (welcome by the way) has breached any rules. I only intended to give a little warning that there might be some workings which take place that won't appear up here. I'm sure the Battersea Park trains, for instance, are quite licit.
However, it's always worth us remembering that any 'runs as required' and similar trains should be treated with caution - as they may very well not run and that can lead to disappointment. We should also be careful to note that parliamentary services and such are often deliberately inconvenient precisely because they don't want many people using them.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 2, 2015 18:18:32 GMT
You are all correct about your interpretation of the relevant rule. It is not intended to cover regular movements such as these, but is intended to prevent a station being overrun by people who have read on here that the 12.17 District Line service from Earls Court to Ealing Broadway will be diverted to South Harrow tomorrow. And also to stop the people who do turn up then complaining to the staff that the information here was wrong.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 2, 2015 19:22:45 GMT
You can also get (un)lucky with Battersea Park. Two of my first three attempts to travel from Wandsworth Road to Clapham Junction saw the train diverted to Battersea Park!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 2, 2015 20:01:13 GMT
I only want to find out about the services like the one above (the Battersea Park service) which information on is quite hard to find. Thanks. If you know where they go, the NR Journey Planner can help find the timings. Put in a random time but limit to "direct services only" . This website is useful
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 20:29:28 GMT
There is a London Overground train that starts at Woodgrange park and ends at Willesden Junction every morning Monday-Friday at leaving a 7.59
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 2, 2015 20:41:26 GMT
Diverging ever so slightly, do NR run any of their diesel test trains along the core of the ELL?
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 2, 2015 23:01:05 GMT
I had first hand experience of the time variability of special workings last week when I tried to see the weedkilling train.
On my first attempt it did not run at all (it was a wet day and they probably decided that whatever it was spraying would be washed away and wasted) and on my second attempt it did run but at *very* different times to the timetable that I'd seen online.
But I knew the risks and the days involved I was out anyway, so did not travel specially.
Anyway, in the end I was successful and a short view of it passing through Gloucester Road's westbound District Line platform is on my YouTube channel.
Simon
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Post by kesmet on Jun 3, 2015 0:21:56 GMT
There are occasional, public knowledge, Overground workings that use the Primrose Hill link. I've only ever encountered them during engineering works when the service doesn't run on the (normal!) section between Camden Road and Willesden Junction.
Despite these being public knowledge, lots of people don't seem to know about them or understand that the train is being diverted between two branches of the Overground network. There are posters and announcements, but people don't really "get it". Lots of people suddenly find themselves at South Hampstead without knowing quite how the train jumped between lines. The announcements (both on the train and the platforms) really don't ever seem to help - they seemed not to ever make explicit that the train would 'switch lines' or 'divert' or anything like that. Instead there's the conflicting claim that trains won't run between Camden Road and Willesden Junction (or that there'll be a bus replacement service), followed by the claim that there'll be a limited service between Camden Road and Willesden Junction (low level). Of course, no-one understands that (low level) bit and mass confusion entails!
I can't find anything in the published TfL status updates for this happening again anytime soon, though.
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Post by pridley on Jun 5, 2015 8:46:07 GMT
I wonder if the seven sisters to Hackney downs route via Clapton could be used to squeeze in that two extra Cheshunt trains per hour it needs for four trains per hour turn up and go service on the branch, also bumping up Clapton to six trains per hour metro standard?
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Post by Dom K on Jun 5, 2015 10:25:47 GMT
I wonder if the seven sisters to Hackney downs route via Clapton could be used to squeeze in that two extra Cheshunt trains per hour it needs for four trains per hour turn up and go service on the branch, also bumping up Clapton to six trains per hour metro standard? It's impossible as you have the trains to Stansted, Cambridge and HertfordE to get through that path, plus the other paths at the South Tottenham junction. The train from Stratford stands at Coppermill Junction for a good 5-7 minutes to allow express services ahead of it, imagine the waiting time at the South Tottenham junction if you added any more services. The only way you can do this is to have Stansted Express services go via Stratford to Liv St. This is a long way off, as we have to wait for Crossrail AND the connection to the other side of Stratford to happen. From what I've read, they may add extra platforms at Stratford alongside platform 11 (where current Tottenham Hale - Stratford trains terminate). There is space inbetween platform 11 and 10 to achieve this, so this would add capacity to this line, taking it away from the Clapton line enabling extra services to Chingford and maybe, just maybe your idea. I also think they'd need to double the tracks on the Seven Sisters curve to avoid bottle necks and path conflicts with via Stoke Newington and GOBLIN services. I'd love to see this a frequent service and I think there is a case for an Enfield Town to Stratford via South Tottenham service, but this is at most a fantasy until more capacity and junction improvements are done at Coppermll Junction, ie Crossrail 2!
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Post by snoggle on Jun 5, 2015 11:13:20 GMT
On the subject of Clapton to Seven Sisters it is also worth saying that the line between the WAML and South Tottenham is also used to stand freight workings until a path becomes available. The FOCs would almost certainly object to a proposal to route a regular passenger service over those rails if it imperiled the working of freight trains. The FOCs have objected to the reopening of Lea Bridge Station because of lack of detail on signalling mods and the possible loss of freight paths.
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Post by bassmike on Jun 5, 2015 14:53:18 GMT
They might have to re-instate the two freight tracks lifted long ago.
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Post by jukes on Jun 5, 2015 16:56:59 GMT
Seven Sisters curve was double track in the past so theoretically could be so again as the space exists for it.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 5, 2015 19:49:23 GMT
Can we stick to rare workings rather than RIPAS please.
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