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Post by class411 on May 10, 2015 11:16:58 GMT
In another thread this appeared: I'd echo norbitonflyer's suggestions for locations/routes - as they've mentioned, there's not many places where you can see more than one stock at once, although there are a few stations with multiple lines/interchanges that could work out for you. There are so many weird and wonderful lists, records, superlatives, etc, that you can come up with for the underground but, this brings to mind a few I haven't seen before: 1) From which platform (or platform pair) can you see the most stock types. Where could you have seem the most at any time in LU's history? 2) Ditto for stations. 3) Ditto for locations off LU property (e.g. bridges, tall office blocks). This is one for the real experts - and probably long time experts, at that, but from my own very limited knowledge I can think of: Victoria (and other stations between Gloucester Road and Tower Hill) District/Circle for a few months S7 S8 C D (Although counting S7 and S8 might be considered a bit of a cheat, they do have different seating arrangements.) Can anyone rack their brains and think of better examples and examples for the other categories? |
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Post by superteacher on May 10, 2015 12:54:42 GMT
S8 at Victoria? There would be a real job fitting one of those into the platform!
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Post by class411 on May 10, 2015 14:18:21 GMT
S8 at Victoria? There would be a real job fitting one of those into the platform! SDO? No, I think my brain got gapped. I was imagining skipping S8's and waiting for an S7, but I do that at Kings Cross. |
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Post by metman on May 10, 2015 15:11:50 GMT
The Northern probably had the best spread with 1938, 1956, 1972 mk1 and 2 operating in the mid 1970s! Might even sneeked some 1962 stock in the late 80s.
In the pre war days Harrow-on-the-Hill had a fantastic variety. Say in July 1939, one could find, MW(T stock) Bogie stock, P stock, Q38 stock, steam stock hauled by met-viks, 1905-13 saloon stock and in early mornings and evenings circle stock 1905-21.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 10, 2015 15:33:00 GMT
The only place I think you can see both S8 and D stock is from the southern end of the platforms at Aldgate. The Northern probably had the best spread with 1938, 1956, 1972 mk1 and 2 operating in the mid 1970s! Might even sneeked some 1962 stock in the late 80s. In the pre war days Harrow-on-the-Hill had a fantastic variety. Say in July 1939, one could find, MW(T stock) Bogie stock, P stock, Q38 stock, steam stock hauled by met-viks, 1905-13 saloon stock and in early mornings and evenings circle stock 1905-21. Between Wembley Park and Finchley Road you could have added 1938 stock to that list. There must have been times in the thirties when a wide variety of District stock (F, G, H, K, L, M, P and Q) along with the Met's Circle stock, would have been visible on the south side of the Circle. In the mid-twenties, B, C, D, E, F and G stock could have been seen together - often in the same train!) In modern use, I'm struggling to think of anywhere you can see more than three types together. The only one I can think of with four is in Ealing - perhaps from the bridge carrying the North Circular Road over the GW main line, or from Bloomsbury Close - where it is possible to see the point where the District and Piccadilly cross the GWML and the Central Line on a viaduct, thus giving you D, S7, 1973 and 1992 stocks. |
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Post by Chris M on May 10, 2015 22:05:40 GMT
I was wondering the other day where it is possible to see one type of tube stock while travelling on a different type of tube stock. I can only think of three locations:
The Piccadilly line bridge over the Central line at Hanger Lane - I'm fairly sure this is possible.
The Central line bridge over the Picc and Met at Ickenham - do the bridge parapets allow this? Google Earth suggests it's not likely.
The southbound Jubilee to southbound Bakerloo link at Baker Street seems the only link that would be potentially short and straight enough looking at Carto.metro, but is it?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 22:19:55 GMT
I was wondering the other day where it is possible to see one type of tube stock while travelling on a different type of tube stock. I can only think of three locations: The Piccadilly line bridge over the Central line at Hanger Lane - I'm fairly sure this is possible. The Central line bridge over the Picc and Met at Ickenham - do the bridge parapets allow this? Google Earth suggests it's not likely. I think you can probably see 09s from 73s and vice versa at Finsbury Park without too much difficulty. You can also probably catch glimpses at cross-platform interchanges in numerous locations. Stockwell seems a likely example. The southbound Jubilee to southbound Bakerloo link at Baker Street seems the only link that would be potentially short and straight enough looking at Carto.metro, but is it? I don't think so, I've never been able to see very far along the connection and I always look whenever I go past, but maybe it is possible to catch a glimpse if you happen to get the timing right. |
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Post by philthetube on May 11, 2015 6:02:41 GMT
The Northern probably had the best spread with 1938, 1956, 1972 mk1 and 2 operating in the mid 1970s! Might even sneeked some 1962 stock in the late 80s. In the pre war days Harrow-on-the-Hill had a fantastic variety. Say in July 1939, one could find, MW(T stock) Bogie stock, P stock, Q38 stock, steam stock hauled by met-viks, 1905-13 saloon stock and in early mornings and evenings circle stock 1905-21. On the northern you could also manage the 67 stock at Stockwell, so you could have seen, on the same day 56/59/62/67/72mk1/72mk2. I don't think the 38 and 72mk2 would ever meet though. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 11, 2015 9:47:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:14:08 GMT
The Piccadilly line bridge over the Central line at Hanger Lane - I'm fairly sure this is possible. It is possible |
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Post by metman on May 11, 2015 19:16:07 GMT
Great photos! Amazing how different the two stocks look next to each other! |
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Post by theblackferret on May 11, 2015 19:38:01 GMT
The Northern probably had the best spread with 1938, 1956, 1972 mk1 and 2 operating in the mid 1970s! Might even sneeked some 1962 stock in the late 80s. In the pre war days Harrow-on-the-Hill had a fantastic variety. Say in July 1939, one could find, MW(T stock) Bogie stock, P stock, Q38 stock, steam stock hauled by met-viks, 1905-13 saloon stock and in early mornings and evenings circle stock 1905-21. I wonder if there were also Pullman cars still going through Harrow-On-The-Hill? I know the Met had them pre-WWII on a very few services, but can't remember exactly when these ceased to run. |
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Post by John Tuthill on May 11, 2015 20:06:06 GMT
The Northern probably had the best spread with 1938, 1956, 1972 mk1 and 2 operating in the mid 1970s! Might even sneeked some 1962 stock in the late 80s. In the pre war days Harrow-on-the-Hill had a fantastic variety. Say in July 1939, one could find, MW(T stock) Bogie stock, P stock, Q38 stock, steam stock hauled by met-viks, 1905-13 saloon stock and in early mornings and evenings circle stock 1905-21. I wonder if there were also Pullman cars still going through Harrow-On-The-Hill? I know the Met had them pre-WWII on a very few services, but can't remember exactly when these ceased to run. There were two carriages, 'Mayflower' and 'Galatea' they were repainted in the 20s. Probably cost or WW2 brought an end to them. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 11, 2015 22:02:11 GMT
I wonder if there were also Pullman cars still going through Harrow-On-The-Hill? I know the Met had them pre-WWII on a very few services, but can't remember exactly when these ceased to run. There were two carriages, 'Mayflower' and 'Galatea' they were repainted in the 20s. Probably cost or WW2 brought an end to them. Service withdrawn 1939, stock officially withdrawn in 1940 but used as offices during the War. districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/15992/metropolitan-pullman |
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Post by roythebus on May 30, 2015 11:22:15 GMT
Remember the Chesham stock ran in service through HOTH too.
Baker Street 1971 could have seen A, C69, CO, CP, F, G, H, K, M, Q and R stock on a Saturday when the DR used to run to Aldgate. Not forgetting the day 38 stock done a tour of the Met and District, and pannier tanks if you stayed up long enough!
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Post by spsmiler on May 31, 2015 0:12:37 GMT
I thought that they were destroyed almost immediately after withdrawal. Also withdrawn (from LPTB tracks) in 1939 were the last of the GWR trains over what nowadays would be called the northern side of the Circle Line. These used the City Stock carriages and were hauled by Met Railway electric locomotives. Simon |
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Post by metman on May 31, 2015 0:31:19 GMT
Remember the Chesham stock ran in service through HOTH too. Baker Street 1971 could have seen A, C69, CO, CP, F, G, H, K, M, Q and R stock on a Saturday when the DR used to run to Aldgate. Not forgetting the day 38 stock done a tour of the Met and District, and pannier tanks if you stayed up long enough! Yes the chesham set was changed over once a week and hauled by electric loco to Ricky and changed to steam there! I assume it was in pax service. I remember the chesham shuttle in A stock days running to wembley on a Sunday night. It was quite strange seeing a short train on the mainline. |
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Post by phillw48 on May 31, 2015 23:04:18 GMT
I thought that they were destroyed almost immediately after withdrawal. Also withdrawn (from LPTB tracks) in 1939 were the last of the GWR trains over what nowadays would be called the northern side of the Circle Line. These used the City Stock carriages and were hauled by Met Railway electric locomotives. Simon The Pullman cars were repainted not long after going into service as the Pullman cream and white roofs didn't wear well in the Metropolitan tunnels. They were both eventually scrapped about 1946 after being used by the army. |
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Post by philthetube on May 31, 2015 23:56:01 GMT
Until the regular 8 car Chesham service started the peak 8 car services were always marked on train departure times posters with a P, denoting through service to Aldgate, P = Pullman?
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Post by metman on Jun 1, 2015 11:56:51 GMT
Perhaps P for peak? Love the idea of it being for Pullman however!
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Post by roythebus on Jun 2, 2015 6:28:15 GMT
Re the Chesham set stock movements, there was a WTT published on here a while ago that showed it was in passenger service.
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Post by philthetube on Jun 3, 2015 3:03:27 GMT
Re the Chesham set stock movements, there was a WTT published on here a while ago that showed it was in passenger service. Assuming you are referring to the A stock Chesham set, there were two "Shuttle sets", the only difference between these and the other A stock units were :- 1) they had rail scrubbers fitted to assist with slippery rails. 2) The fan heater in the rear cab could be switched on from the leading cab, in order to keep it warm for the driver who needed to change ends often. The four car unit used to run in Passenger service daily between Wembley and Chesham, but only returned in passenger on a Sunday. |
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Post by metman on Jun 3, 2015 21:24:53 GMT
Do you know what two units were ear marked?
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