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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 21:05:03 GMT
They are, but I think the occasional one brought over from the NLL has been used in service. I saw one up at Highbury the other day departing one of the ELL platforms.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 12:23:49 GMT
They are, but I think the occasional one brought over from the NLL has been used in service. I saw one up at Highbury the other day departing one of the ELL platforms. What time of day/night was that?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 16:36:07 GMT
They are, but I think the occasional one brought over from the NLL has been used in service. I saw one up at Highbury the other day departing one of the ELL platforms. What time of day/night was that? It was late last Sunday. I brought my unit in to platform 2 and I noticed it because the other driver was having to walk forward to the TRTS on platform 1.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2015 17:00:54 GMT
What time of day/night was that? It was late last Sunday. I brought my unit in to platform 2 and I noticed it because the other driver was having to walk forward to the TRTS on platform 1. OK. Cool.
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Post by wimblephil on Jun 5, 2015 7:54:38 GMT
How many 5 car units do we have working the NLL/WLL now?
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 5, 2015 21:56:22 GMT
Are there any 5 car trains on the Euston Watford line yet? Once that happens I can make a film showing trains at the same station which are 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 carriages / cars in length!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 19:42:23 GMT
Hello All,
With reference to the previous posters,could anyone advise me as to the number of current 378/2's in operation,with a 5 car formation,please.I am visiting London for a 48 hour visit in 10 days time,so that I can clear as many 378's as possible.
Any assistance most gratefully appreciated.
Cheers,Frank..
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Post by dazz285 on Jul 3, 2015 2:59:44 GMT
I believe that there are about 12 to 15 5 cars running around at the mo on the NLL.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 19:53:54 GMT
Redbond can you or anyone else explain what MOS means, as well as the P, D, and T prefixes? Thx in advance. Just clarify the new 5 car formations on the 378 fleet they are as follows: (DMOS-A) (MOS-A) (PTOS) (MOS-B) (DMOS-B) The DMOS-A will always be attached to MOS_A (unless something goes horribly wrong) The PTOS will always be in the centre of the triain (unless something goes horribly wrong) The DMOS-B will always be attached to MOS-B (unless something goes horribly wrong) With regards to something going horribly wrong, The 357 fleet at East Ham had a unit running around for a while with 2 DMOS-B cars and the PTOSL and the wrong end due to a shunter who tried to sneakily reverse a unit rather than change ends (twice) to put a unit in the shed. He backed into a unit that was fouling the points and damaged 2 DMOS-A cars. The depot made a good train from the useable cars and sent the 2 damaged cars as part of a train to Derby for repair. The shunter concerned having dented his company vehicle just got changed and went home never to be seen again (he knew that he was going to be sacked so why wait around to told) The unit was renumber as 357 099 The letters used to describe the different coaches on the 378 fleet are as follows: D = Driving (or driven) M = motor O = Open S = Saloon M = motor O = Open S = Saloon P = Pantograph (big thing on the roof) T = Trailer (no motors on this coach) O = Open S = Saloon Units that have what is referred to as a PTOSL (such as the 357 fleet) are the same as a PTOS however with the addition of a loo. Technically the 5 car units can work anywhere on the London Overground although rumours about the sub station north of Harrow chucking its teddy's out of its pram are circulating as the reason why a 5 car unit cannot go to Watford (allegedly one can go in normal traffic but only upto power notch 3) Hope this helps
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Post by spsmiler on Dec 10, 2015 20:35:59 GMT
According to page 825 of December 2015 'The Railway Observer' (published by the Railway Correspondence and Travel Society) on 12th October 5-car stop marks were brought into use one the Overground route between South Hampstead and Watford High street. It also adds that the older 4-car remained in use until the 2nd November.
So, does this mean that the Euston - Watford trains are now 5 carriages long? Or is this still yet to come?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 21:56:42 GMT
The first day of a 5-car on the DC was believed to be 16 November. I saw at least two 5-car trains on the service today.
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 10, 2015 23:52:47 GMT
Last weekend when changing trains at Watford Jct I saw a five car train arriving. Well, I saw a train with the 5 car bumph on the front arriving, the darkness and a southbound Penguilino hid the actual train.
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Post by phoenixcronin on Dec 14, 2015 21:39:44 GMT
Eventually when all 378's are 5 cars will the "5 Car Train" stickers be removed or not?
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Post by metman on Dec 16, 2015 18:40:35 GMT
Yes I've seen them too.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 20, 2015 14:29:14 GMT
Eventually when all 378's are 5 cars will the "5 Car Train" stickers be removed or not? Common sense would suggest yes, but we all know how often common sense takes a back seat these days!
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 20, 2015 15:57:01 GMT
Eventually when all 378's are 5 cars will the "5 Car Train" stickers be removed or not? Common sense would suggest yes, but we all know how often common sense takes a back seat these days! Aside from the fact that the signs on the front of the trains look like they've been done by children and ruin the appearance of the 378, what possible operational value is gained by them? The passengers can only get in to whatever is provided be it 4 or 5 car/carriage/coach (take your pick) so the signs mean nothing. A stuffed 5 car/carriage/coach (take your pick) train turning up is of no value whatsoever compared to a half empty 4 car/carriage/coach (take your pick).
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Post by superteacher on Dec 20, 2015 17:00:37 GMT
Common sense would suggest yes, but we all know how often common sense takes a back seat these days! Aside from the fact that the signs on the front of the trains look like they've been done by children and ruin the appearance of the 378, what possible operational value is gained by them? The passengers can only get in to whatever is provided be it 4 or 5 car/carriage/coach (take your pick) so the signs mean nothing. A stuffed 5 car/carriage/coach (take your pick) train turning up is of no value whatsoever compared to a half empty 4 car/carriage/coach (take your pick). The on,y reason I can think of is that it may encourage some passengers to move to the end of the platform if they can see it's a 5 car train, thus spreading the load.
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Post by wimblephil on Dec 20, 2015 17:45:26 GMT
Common sense would suggest yes, but we all know how often common sense takes a back seat these days! Aside from the fact that the signs on the front of the trains look like they've been done by children and ruin the appearance of the 378, what possible operational value is gained by them? The passengers can only get in to whatever is provided be it 4 or 5 car/carriage/coach (take your pick) so the signs mean nothing. A stuffed 5 car/carriage/coach (take your pick) train turning up is of no value whatsoever compared to a half empty 4 car/carriage/coach (take your pick). This comes across as rather a grumpy statement I have to say! Surely it's a publicity thing more than anything, to highlight to the people of overcrowded services (whom often moan/complain of trains being too short), that TfL are re-investing income into providing more carriages. The more they see, the better things will appear. It's a perception thing! Once all services are 5-car, no doubt they'll removed, and you can smile again...
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 20, 2015 19:47:37 GMT
Aside from the fact that the signs on the front of the trains look like they've been done by children and ruin the appearance of the 378, what possible operational value is gained by them? The passengers can only get in to whatever is provided be it 4 or 5 car/carriage/coach (take your pick) so the signs mean nothing. A stuffed 5 car/carriage/coach (take your pick) train turning up is of no value whatsoever compared to a half empty 4 car/carriage/coach (take your pick). This comes across as rather a grumpy statement I have to say! Surely it's a publicity thing more than anything, to highlight to the people of overcrowded services (whom often moan/complain of trains being too short), that TfL are re-investing income into providing more carriages. The more they see, the better things will appear. It's a perception thing! Once all services are 5-car, no doubt they'll removed, and you can smile again... I am grumpy today WP. Nevertheless, this is publicity in a captive market. They can highlight the extended trains with a simple poster at the station or on social media if they have to without needing to waste money doing it to the trains. Did they put "7 Car" notices on the front of Jubilee line trains when they were extended or "4 Car" notices on the front of 378/0s when they were extended? I may have missed it, in which case I apologize!
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Post by phoenixcronin on Dec 20, 2015 19:57:12 GMT
This comes across as rather a grumpy statement I have to say! Surely it's a publicity thing more than anything, to highlight to the people of overcrowded services (whom often moan/complain of trains being too short), that TfL are re-investing income into providing more carriages. The more they see, the better things will appear. It's a perception thing! Once all services are 5-car, no doubt they'll removed, and you can smile again... I am grumpy today WP. Nevertheless, this is publicity in a captive market. They can highlight the extended trains with a simple poster at the station or on social media if they have to without needing to waste money doing it to the trains. Did they put "7 Car" notices on the front of Jubilee line trains when they were extended or "4 Car" notices on the front of 378/0s when they were extended? I may have missed it, in which case I apologize! There was this:
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 20, 2015 20:00:07 GMT
I am grumpy today WP. Nevertheless, this is publicity in a captive market. They can highlight the extended trains with a simple poster at the station or on social media if they have to without needing to waste money doing it to the trains. Did they put "7 Car" notices on the front of Jubilee line trains when they were extended or "4 Car" notices on the front of 378/0s when they were extended? I may have missed it, in which case I apologize! There was this:
Apologies then even if it is on the side! Still think it's a waste of money though!
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Post by causton on Dec 20, 2015 20:01:49 GMT
Don't all 96 stocks have a little sticker on the front saying that the 7th car has been added?
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 20, 2015 20:05:16 GMT
Don't all 96 stocks have a little sticker on the front saying that the 7th car has been added? If it is it's small enough to avoid grumpy gits moaning about it.
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Post by crusty54 on Dec 20, 2015 20:18:56 GMT
There to help spread the load down the longer train when there was a mix of 4 and 5 cars.
Not necessary when all trains on the line are 5 car.
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Post by whistlekiller2000 on Dec 20, 2015 20:29:19 GMT
There to help spread the load down the longer train when there was a mix of 4 and 5 cars. Not necessary when all trains on the line are 5 car. On trains with walk through carriages I'd have thought this would happen fairly automatically, part of the design ethos wasn't it?
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Post by phoenixcronin on Dec 20, 2015 20:29:25 GMT
There to help spread the load down the longer train when there was a mix of 4 and 5 cars. Not necessary when all trains on the line are 5 car. Hmm, do you think they actually worked? I don't think many/any people would actually use the 5 car thing as a reminder to move further down.
I personally thought the 5 car sticker was just advertising
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 21:25:57 GMT
Whatever the reason it does help when the majority of services are 5 car but a handful of 4 car trains are still in operation. It flags up to platform staff so they can make appropriate announcements before trains arrive at the station. When we still had 4 car trains in the ELL you might arrive at Sydenham on the up and masses of people have to walk up to board doors in the rear carriage. It used to significantly increase dwell time during rush hour as that last carriage became full. Once their is a certain amount of crush people simply do not/cannot walk through even though the front carriages may have more room.
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Post by North End on Dec 20, 2015 21:30:39 GMT
There to help spread the load down the longer train when there was a mix of 4 and 5 cars. Not necessary when all trains on the line are 5 car. Hmm, do you think they actually worked? I don't think many/any people would actually use the 5 car thing as a reminder to move further down.
I personally thought the 5 car sticker was just advertising
Not sure about that. For some reason some people *have* to board the front of the train, and will launch themselves into running down the platform once they get the rush of excitement as the train appears. At least having the sign on the front gives these people advance notice, rather than barging people out of the way if they have to make their move once the train is in the platform. I've never understood the rationale behind this behaviour, but it definitely happens.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 20, 2015 22:22:18 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Dec 20, 2015 22:49:29 GMT
I suspect they will be taken off when they start to look tatty, a bit like the M logos on MerseyRail which haven't survived the carriage washers.
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