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Post by Dom K on Oct 9, 2014 9:52:04 GMT
Not sure if there is a thread for this Just seen a post on Facebook from TFL for the new trains, firstly for the Piccadilly, then Bakerloo, Central and W&C. If features air cooling and articulated carriages. There is an exhibition at Kings Cross St Pancras Underground Station Northern Ticket Hall I think it looks pretty good, just not so sure on the square windows on the doors! Www.tfl.gov.uk/newtubeMaybe someone can post a link to the photos as I'm on my phone! |
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Post by londonstuff on Oct 9, 2014 10:08:14 GMT
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Post by patstonuk on Oct 9, 2014 15:21:35 GMT
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Post by Antje on Oct 9, 2014 17:33:12 GMT
I prefer the blue skirting, which appears on the current liveries, to hide away the dirt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 17:44:17 GMT
Wow, that's the first new tube design I've liked since the TS73 stock.
I love the small square windows. Hints of more traditional tube stock there. Really nice design at the front and I really like the new livery.
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Post by metman on Oct 9, 2014 18:04:32 GMT
I'm not sold. Looks a bit backward. When the trains are built (if ever) they will look well out of date!
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Post by Rich32 on Oct 9, 2014 18:09:39 GMT
Oh, I dunno. I quite like the definite nod to the standard stock, but agree it needs to have the current corporate livery. The moquette looks quite nice too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 18:24:30 GMT
I am soooo glad they got rid of the first front they did.
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Post by domh245 on Oct 9, 2014 18:38:33 GMT
To my eye, it looks like someone has taken the concept of the borismaster and forced it upon tube stock. It looks nice, and isn't in itself a bad thing, but hopefully we won't end up with something entirely like the borismaster (overpriced, unnecessary, and semi-functional). It's also worth bearing in mind that this is a designers rendering, the production jobs will likely look a bit different
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Post by will on Oct 9, 2014 18:38:54 GMT
I think they look wonderful, I think the 1972,3 stock now look tired and out of date and I really love the TV screens in cars.
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Post by trt on Oct 9, 2014 19:06:47 GMT
The articulated section looks very narrow. What's the bogey layout and minimum radius for these?
I also note that the Evening Standard suggests they are like "sitting on a sofa in your lounge". I'm not sure if that's a comment on the upholstery of this tube design or a comment on the shrinking space standards in the capital's flats!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 9:26:04 GMT
Wonder if they can put free Wifi on these trains. Probably not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 14:38:25 GMT
Wonder if they can put free Wifi on these trains. Probably not. I highly doubt it. They look much, much better than the previous concept, the Siemens "Evo". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 14:49:15 GMT
Wonder if they can put free Wifi on these trains. Probably not. I highly doubt it. They look much, much better than the previous concept, the Siemens "Evo". Yes, I like the look of this better than the Evo as well. |
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Post by Alight on Oct 11, 2014 22:59:13 GMT
I actually rather liked the Evo's radical appearance. The bold frontage (while perhaps having as much friendliness as that of a Siemens Juniper) was at least futuristic in its appearance. The new one is harmonious with what we have at the moment - and there's nothing wrong with that - but I just feel the EVO broke more boundaries. Interestingly they use the '96 stock motor sounds for the purposes of the video! I must say, I'm very impressed by the interior design. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 13:33:42 GMT
Interestingly they use the '96 stock motor sounds for the purposes of the video! I must say, I'm very impressed by the interior design. I really hope the new tube trains will make a unique sound, like the 1996 stock. Not necessarily the same sound, but a unique one. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 12, 2014 19:03:21 GMT
If it's the same sound as the 1996 stock, it won't be unique!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 22:07:24 GMT
If it's the same sound as the 1996 stock, it won't be unique! Not necessarily the same sound, but a unique one. |
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Post by metman on Oct 13, 2014 22:15:39 GMT
As the train equipment is still in the future one can only speculate what noise they will make! I'm pretty sure however that they won't make the same noise as the 1996 stock. That technology is well in the past now.
I expect something akin to the 2009 stock.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Oct 14, 2014 9:32:44 GMT
I know I'm really late in asking this question, but what was the reason the 09TS was not made with walk through carriages?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 14, 2014 9:55:28 GMT
I know I'm really late in asking this question, but what was the reason the 09TS was not made with walk through carriages? As I understand things from what's been posted here in the past, the technology wasn't far enough advanced to incorporate this into Tube Stock as the aperture available to the next car would be no greater than the size of the usual door and with the longer cars the end-throw would be increased. Shorter cars reduces the end-throw of the car.. Ventilation is also gained by having an end window, something the NTfL has resolved. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 14, 2014 12:54:42 GMT
I would guess from looking at some of the tight reverse curves tube stock has to negotiate (look at a train using the reversing siding at Waterllooo W&C, where two adjacent car bodies can briefly be parallel) fitting a continuous floor between two long vehicles might be a problem. Retrofitting of any existing Tube stock is probably not practical without massive re-inforcement of the structure to compensate for loss of the end bulkheads.
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Post by rummer on Oct 14, 2014 14:07:57 GMT
South Kensington bends on the Picc line could be a problem, but on the whole i like the look of the proposed new train as long as i can still drive it but knowing LUL i will be well gone by then
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Post by North End on Oct 14, 2014 16:09:03 GMT
I would guess from looking at some of the tight reverse curves tube stock has to negotiate (look at a train using the reversing siding at Waterllooo W&C, where two adjacent car bodies can briefly be parallel) fitting a continuous floor between two long vehicles might be a problem. Retrofitting of any existing Tube stock is probably not practical without massive re-inforcement of the structure to compensate for loss of the end bulkheads. From a crashworthiness point of view I've always found it strange that rolling stock designers have spent many years finding ways to try and prevent passengers being ejected from vehicles, which is generally one of the biggest causes of fatal and serious injuries in collisions. Yet now we are happy to build vehicles with open ends. I can accept the risks are minimal on low-speed routes, but S stock operates at up to 60 mph, and the forthcoming Thameslink Class 700s will operate at 100 mph. I wonder if the Potters Bar derailment would have resulted in more than 6 passenger fatalities had the train been formed of a class 700. |
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Post by Alight on Oct 14, 2014 21:56:55 GMT
South Kensington bends on the Picc line could be a problem I agree! I would feel a sense of uneasiness if I were to be standing in an inter-car gangway while negotiating the 'Brompton Bends' - I can just hear the screeching as I type! |
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