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Post by christopher125 on Sept 21, 2014 15:07:12 GMT
Fancy a luxury meal in a London Underground train?Despite sounding like an early April Fool, it would appear that TfL really have been seeking a partner to help operate dining services on the Underground - this would use the Inspection Saloon currently under restoration at Eastleigh. I can't decide if this is genius or madness! Chris
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Post by peterc on Sept 21, 2014 17:03:35 GMT
With the East - West rail reinstatement this sounds ideal for a Metroland excursion all the way to Verney Junction, perhaps even swapping Sara Siddons for a steam loco at Rickmansworth.
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Post by metrailway on Sept 21, 2014 17:09:08 GMT
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Post by domh245 on Sept 21, 2014 17:26:48 GMT
Would this proposed dining service not be better on heritage trains (eg. steam on the met) rather than a weekday service? Certainly would wreak havoc with catering tickets on PAYG, unless it is a buffet service where you pay by oyster?
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Post by metrailway on Sept 21, 2014 17:40:01 GMT
Would this proposed dining service not be better on heritage trains (eg. steam on the met) rather than a weekday service? Certainly would wreak havoc with catering tickets on PAYG, unless it is a buffet service where you pay by oyster? My post above was tongue in cheek. I doubt TfL will ever diagram Sarah Siddons and DM 45029 on a regular weekday service... |
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Post by miff on Sept 21, 2014 18:57:34 GMT
Why did TfL buy 45029 in the first place?
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 21, 2014 19:10:28 GMT
If they are serious, they should consider:
1) A special Circle Line service, non-stop.
2) Both ways round the Hainault Loop on the Central Line.
3) Reinstitute Jubilee Line from Green Park through Charing Cross & go onto Aldywch, as the extension was originally meant to-make it a pure heritage Tube, too.
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Post by domh245 on Sept 21, 2014 19:22:54 GMT
I'm not sure that 45029 would be able to visit aldwych without some major re-engineering.
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Post by John Tuthill on Sept 21, 2014 19:32:55 GMT
If they are serious, they should consider:
1) A special Circle Line service, non-stop.
2) Both ways round the Hainault Loop on the Central Line.
3) Reinstitute Jubilee Line from Green Park through Charing Cross & go onto Aldywch, as the extension was originally meant to-make it a pure heritage Tube, too.
If it doesn't stop, does it go thru' stations with the doors open and you jump on & off?  |
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Post by John Tuthill on Sept 21, 2014 19:37:37 GMT
Would this proposed dining service not be better on heritage trains (eg. steam on the met) rather than a weekday service? Certainly would wreak havoc with catering tickets on PAYG, unless it is a buffet service where you pay by oyster? My post above was tongue in cheek. I doubt TfL will ever diagram Sarah Siddons and DM 45029 on a regular weekday service... Why not? The Metropolitan Rly had two Pullman cars Mayflower & Galatea  |
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Post by roboverground on Sept 21, 2014 20:06:27 GMT
Following the recent 'Wedding Train' on the 3rd rail MerseyRail Network, I can imagine creative wedding planners also eyeing this up!
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 21, 2014 20:10:17 GMT
If they are serious, they should consider:
1) A special Circle Line service, non-stop.
2) Both ways round the Hainault Loop on the Central Line.
3) Reinstitute Jubilee Line from Green Park through Charing Cross & go onto Aldywch, as the extension was originally meant to-make it a pure heritage Tube, too.
If it doesn't stop, does it go thru' stations with the doors open and you jump on & off? Well done, you spotted the deliberate mistake ( )-it loads & disgorges on Minories Tube Station, which is around half-way down or up or round that wee bit of Circle Line-exclusive track between Tower Gateway & Aldgate. We haven't opened it yet, as we await the nod from TfL, of course. I'm not sure that 45029 would be able to visit aldwych without some major re-engineering. Probably, but let's not forget the royal connection of 45029 should add a few bob to the price of tickets, plus the Jubilee bit is built to a wider bore than the original Piccadilly Tube at Aldwych, and, as the Jube never reached there, the bit beyond Charing Cross could easily be enlarged. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 21, 2014 21:31:27 GMT
Minories Tube Station, which is around half-way down or up or round that wee bit of Circle Line-exclusive track between Tower Gateway [sic, surely you mean Tower hill?] and Aldgate; We haven't opened it yet, as we await the nod from TfL, of course.. Have you actually seen the stretch of track between Minories Junction and Aldgate - you couldn't get a train as long as Sarah Siddons plus DM45029 in there! - picture of district Line train taken from the platform at Aldgate the Jubilee bit is built to a wider bore than the original Piccadilly Tube at Aldwych, and, as the Jube never reached there, the bit beyond Charing Cross could easily be enlarged. three problems - 1. how do you get the train in there in the first place? 2. the scenery isn't very interesting 3. the journey time would be less than three minutes: |
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 22, 2014 7:21:19 GMT
Probably, but let's not forget the royal connection of 45029 should add a few bob to the price of tickets, plus the Jubilee bit is built to a wider bore than the original Piccadilly Tube at Aldwych, and, as the Jube never reached there, the bit beyond Charing Cross could easily be enlarged. What Royal connection? 45029 has no royal connections. It is an LMS design built by British Railways in the 1950's. The one used for the Royal Wedding was a converted 'Hastings' unit with flat sides. |
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Post by DWS on Sept 22, 2014 8:03:37 GMT
Which Royal Wedding are we talking about ?
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Post by theblackferret on Sept 22, 2014 8:47:11 GMT
Probably, but let's not forget the royal connection of 45029 should add a few bob to the price of tickets, plus the Jubilee bit is built to a wider bore than the original Piccadilly Tube at Aldwych, and, as the Jube never reached there, the bit beyond Charing Cross could easily be enlarged. What Royal connection? 45029 has no royal connections. It is an LMS design built by British Railways in the 1950's. The one used for the Royal Wedding was a converted 'Hastings' unit with flat sides. According to the blog quoted in the thread-opening post: Back in 2010, TfL acquired heritage coach DM45029, which is notable amongst railway buffs for being the last coach upon which the entire Royal Family travelled together. Minories Tube Station, which is around half-way down or up or round that wee bit of Circle Line-exclusive track between Tower Gateway [sic, surely you mean Tower hill?] and Aldgate; We haven't opened it yet, as we await the nod from TfL, of course.. Have you actually seen the stretch of track between Minories Junction and Aldgate - you couldn't get a train as long as Sarah Siddons plus DM45029 in there! - picture of district Line train taken from the platform at Aldgate There's 1/3 of a mile of track between the stations, surely the 2 vehicles aren't that long between them? Minories is just the most obvious name for such an intermediate station on that stretch. the Jubilee bit is built to a wider bore than the original Piccadilly Tube at Aldwych, and, as the Jube never reached there, the bit beyond Charing Cross could easily be enlarged. three problems - 1. how do you get the train in there in the first place? 2. the scenery isn't very interesting 3. the journey time would be less than three minutes: 1. Shunt it on to the Jubilee at Stratford, run through overnight to Green Park. 2. Illuminate the tunnels with holograms of Tube life from the past. 3. Extend the heritage railway to Ludgate Hill & Fenchurch Street and further as needed. Dining trains on present day heritage railways shuttle back & forth, so this one can also stop at the specially-restored intermediate stations. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 22, 2014 10:00:52 GMT
What Royal connection? 45029 has no royal connections. It is an LMS design built by British Railways in the 1950's. The one used for the Royal Wedding was a converted 'Hastings' unit with flat sides. This one in fact www.malcolm-smith.150m.com/railways/working/rail/special/event/10-g-10.htmlThere was mention in the original article of a royal connection, but not a royal wedding. There was a "wedding train" in the news, but not a royal connection. A bog-standard class 507 - although that's getting on for museum-piece status now! www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/bride-says-i-choo-after-7665305(Googling "royal wedding train" only brings up pictures of people in very long dresses!) 1. Shunt it on to the Jubilee at Stratford, run through overnight to Green Park. A battery loco and open-top carriage? (Well - it would be open top very soon after it passed Canning Town!) And I'm not sure there's a physical connection at Stratford anyway.
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Post by phillw48 on Sept 22, 2014 15:10:24 GMT
Which Royal Wedding are we talking about ? Charles and Diana. |
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Post by DWS on Sept 22, 2014 18:12:16 GMT
Which Royal Wedding are we talking about ? Charles and Diana. Thanks. |
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Post by miff on Sept 22, 2014 23:15:39 GMT
45029 was designated for preservation by the Railway Heritage Committee in 2006 when it was still owned by EWS. The committee's 2013 list says:
"Ex-LMS Saloon no. DM 45029; conveyed senior members of royal family at Prince of Wales’ investiture; first passenger-carrying vehicle on to Britannia Bridge after fire [Disposal to London Underground Ltd – 15.7.11]"
Given its condition at that time, judging by the photos of the work done at Eastleigh, I still don't know why LUL wanted to buy it in 2011. It obviously wasn't a priority for tube150 and no-one has mentioned the dining idea until now.
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Post by metrailway on Sept 23, 2014 7:19:06 GMT
45029 was designated for preservation by the Railway Heritage Committee in 2006 when it was still owned by EWS. The committee's 2013 list says: "Ex-LMS Saloon no. DM 45029; conveyed senior members of royal family at Prince of Wales’ investiture; first passenger-carrying vehicle on to Britannia Bridge after fire [Disposal to London Underground Ltd – 15.7.11]"Given its condition at that time, judging by the photos of the work done at Eastleigh, I still don't know why LUL wanted to buy it in 2011. It obviously wasn't a priority for tube150 and no-one has mentioned the dining idea until now. As far as I understand, the plan always was to slowly restore it back to running back. Already some restoration work had taken place before the date you have quoted. I think LU had some long standing interest in it because it stayed at West Ruislip for a while in 2009. |
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Post by brigham on Sept 23, 2014 21:41:10 GMT
Seems tenuous; still, nice to have another pre-BR carriage back in action. Does it have any LT history, apart from lying at West Ruislip after withdrawal?
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Post by miff on Sept 24, 2014 7:19:21 GMT
45029 was designated for preservation by the Railway Heritage Committee in 2006 when it was still owned by EWS. The committee's 2013 list says: "Ex-LMS Saloon no. DM 45029; conveyed senior members of royal family at Prince of Wales’ investiture; first passenger-carrying vehicle on to Britannia Bridge after fire [Disposal to London Underground Ltd – 15.7.11]"Given its condition at that time, judging by the photos of the work done at Eastleigh, I still don't know why LUL wanted to buy it in 2011. It obviously wasn't a priority for tube150 and no-one has mentioned the dining idea until now. As far as I understand, the plan always was to slowly restore it back to running back. Already some restoration work had taken place before the date you have quoted. I think LU had some long standing interest in it because it stayed at West Ruislip for a while in 2009. Thanks for the info. Reading between the lines I wonder if the RHC and maybe EWS were looking for someone to give a historical item a good home - looks like they found it  |
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Post by christopher125 on Oct 1, 2016 21:14:16 GMT
Does anyone know what the status of 45029 is? Presumably she's still at Eastleigh where she was undergoing restoration to provide a dining service, but I've not seen any photos of progress for quite some time. Threads merged by superteacher. |
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Post by spsmiler on Oct 2, 2016 0:20:11 GMT
A static carriage at the otherwise disused platform at Mansion House?
Indeed, there could be half a dozen carriages offering different types of food!
If the bay platform was used for eastbound trains then the present day eastbound platform could be segregated off and used as a restaurant area.
Maybe TfL could also buy an old tram from somewhere and operate dining services on Tramlink?
btw, anyone remember this Jubilee Line dinner party? (nothing to do with me!)
perhaps there will be dancing as well? (a tube train disco would work well on the deep level tube trains too)
Simon
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Post by xercesfobe on Oct 2, 2016 8:02:36 GMT
Why not convert one of the surviving A60 RATs to provide this service!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 8:30:21 GMT
There was a suggestion of parking static dining coaches at the disused platforms at Barbican station. This will not be possible though because of the intention to stable S stock there.
I can't see a moving dining train work on the SSR post signalling upgrade due to the lack of fitted locos.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 2, 2016 12:56:42 GMT
There was a suggestion of parking static dining coaches at the disused platforms at Barbican station. This will not be possible though because of the intention to stable S stock there. I can't see a moving dining train work on the SSR post signalling upgrade due to the lack of fitted locos. Surely all the working battery locos are going to be fitted with compatible kit? They do run in traffic hours between passenger trains so surely this will be essential or else the efficiency and costs of engineering works and blockades will reduce and increase respectively. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 14:54:26 GMT
There was a suggestion of parking static dining coaches at the disused platforms at Barbican station. This will not be possible though because of the intention to stable S stock there. I can't see a moving dining train work on the SSR post signalling upgrade due to the lack of fitted locos. Surely all the working battery locos are going to be fitted with compatible kit? They do run in traffic hours between passenger trains so surely this will be essential or else the efficiency and costs of engineering works and blockades will reduce and increase respectively. Yes you're right about the battery locos. Sorry, I was thinking more about the heritage type fleet. I don't recall battery locos hauling passenger trains though (i.e. trains with passengers on?). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 14:59:26 GMT
On enthusiast trips in the past they did. Including using 1985 battery locos, one of which went 'phut' !!
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