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Post by ashlar on Mar 17, 2015 21:38:00 GMT
Brilliant spot, Norbitonflyer! It is wonderful to see the LO services on the West Anglia lines on the journey planner!
I noticed one minor timetable change. The confusing non-stop-to-Walthamstow 23:33 service seems to be converting to all (regular) stops. The change seems to happen mid-May.
There seem to be further tweaks to the late night timetable - 15 minute interval to the end, but a slightly earlier last train.
Presumably there'll be tweaks to the peak service too? Is there anyway to download the whole timetable - that website is slow!!
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Post by ashlar on Mar 17, 2015 21:41:28 GMT
The peak service seems to have shifted to the same 15-minute clockface timetable as the rest of the day.
Also, it appears that all services now call at Bethnal Green? This would fit in with TfL's simplification policies.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 17, 2015 22:15:58 GMT
at present are there any services to chingford, chestnut or enfield town that dont stop at all stations? And if there are, will London overground make every train all stations immediately? Plenty of services skip stop or don't serve certain stations. There are no plans to change the stopping patterns - this was asked on a Twitter session with London Overground a few weeks ago. As Norbiton Flyer has said it is possible to look at the post 31 May train times on the National Rail website. The only day of the week that sees any real changes is Sundays when LOROL and Greater Anglia are adding extra trains on certain routes. I suspect that things like making Chingford line trains call at London fields and Cambridge Heath are non starters because people would complain about longer journey times and in the peaks there would be capacity issues from stopping more trains and more complex junction moves at Hackney Downs. I think you'd need revised signalling, new rolling stock and probably the diversion of Stansted trains via Stratford before you could contemplate a really intensive stopping service on those lines. There is a long standing "conflict" between running more local vs more long distance trains on this route and in recent years the longer distance stuff has tended to win out because it earns more money!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 17, 2015 22:41:34 GMT
Is there anyway to download the whole timetable - that website is slow!! New timetable comes into force on May 17th, and will be published about a month before that: so about a month's time.
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Post by stapler on Mar 18, 2015 9:09:44 GMT
Since London F and Cambridge H have no platforms on the slow lines, stopping Chingfords there would mean diverting them all to the slow lines
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Post by ashlar on Mar 18, 2015 15:04:36 GMT
Don't the slow lines have capacity for 4 (Chingford) + 8 (Lee Valley) = 12 trains an hour? This is a third of the capacity of the Victoria Line. What would be the problem?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 18, 2015 16:10:08 GMT
stapler/ashlar I think there is some confusion between slow and fast, and between the Lea Valley and the Seven Sisters lines, but if the Chingfords and Seven Sisters trains all use the tracks that call at London Fields and Cambridge Heath (leaving the Lea Valley services via Tottenham Hale to use the other tracks) all Chingfords will have to cross from the western pair to the eastern pair of tracks north of Hackney Downs, which will have a serious effect on capacity on all routes (two flat junctions).
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Post by Chris M on Mar 18, 2015 16:45:23 GMT
Don't the slow lines have capacity for 4 (Chingford) + 8 (Lee Valley) = 12 trains an hour? This is a third of the capacity of the Victoria Line. What would be the problem? Signally throughput capacity on mainline routes (with a few exceptions, such as Thameslink core) is much lower than on metro routes like the London Underground. There are various reasons for this that someone more au fait with singalling than me can explain better, but essentially mainline routes are designed to cope with a variety of stock and train types and lengths (fast passenger, stopping passenger, several different types of freight) with differing braking and accelerating profiles and capabilities, at the expense of throughput. London Underground signalling is optimised for throughput at the expense of flexibility by being designed for 1 or at most 2 types of passenger train with fixed formations on high frequency all-stations services with short dwell times and acceleration prioritised over top speed.
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Post by stapler on Mar 18, 2015 16:47:56 GMT
Quite, flyer. There are enough delays to Chingford passengers already with conflicts at Clapton Junction, without setting up further conflicts at Hackney Downs and/or Bethnal Green. To which must be added the extra time at Walthamstow central changing to the Victoria Line by the current idiocy with gatelines etc being played out there
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Post by ashlar on Mar 18, 2015 20:40:53 GMT
Then it sounds like an all-stops service to Chingford is extremely unlikely. I just wish they'd change the timetables so that there was more than a minute at Hackney Downs to change onto a stopping train!
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Post by A60stock on Mar 18, 2015 21:31:39 GMT
any idea whether any 317's will transfer to LO? I would have thought not but you never know, I have always wondered why these 100mph capable units are used on chingford services?!
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Post by ashlar on Mar 19, 2015 7:32:51 GMT
Sachil. According to various sources online there will be a mix of 315s and 317s transferred to LO. Most of the 315s on the West Anglia lines are going to TfL Rail to form the initial unbranded Crossrail service to Shenfield. Personally, I can't tell the difference between this rag tag stock, but is it correct that the 317s are faster?! Update: I'm educating myself.... www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=91271If the 317s are the ones where the seats line up with the windows, I'm all in favour of 317s!
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Post by stapler on Mar 19, 2015 8:24:20 GMT
Isn't this because some of the 317s are stabled at Chingford carriage sidings? I prefer the 317s' interior, and the corridor connection and w.c.s are handy, but they are pig-ugly from the exterior and seem sluggish (eg) on accelerating away on the down from Walthamstow C.
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Post by snoggle on May 6, 2015 15:25:49 GMT
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Post by jukes on May 6, 2015 16:49:50 GMT
TfL at the moment have no idea when they will be posting the TfL Rail timetables on line!
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Post by sawb on May 6, 2015 17:03:28 GMT
I doubt there will be any significant changes, bar a minute or two here and there. There rarely are on the Shenfield to Liverpool Street metro services
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Post by jukes on May 6, 2015 17:40:57 GMT
TfL at the moment have no idea when they will be posting the TfL Rail timetables on line! I guess you mean that the uncertainty around the general election result and formation of the next government means TfL cannot be clear when they are able to escape the confines of "purdah" and then resume "business as usual" in terms of launching consultations, updating people on forthcoming changes or promoting those changes. That can be the only source of uncertainty. I imagine they have a shed load of stuff ready to go but can't release it until the political situation has resolved itself. Your 10 mile long answer reminds me of my days working in the Private Office at the Treasury as an APS to the Chief Secretary!
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Post by Dom K on May 7, 2015 8:14:01 GMT
A 315 operates from Hertford East via Tottenham Hale, which is quite rare. It is on the 8:39 on a daily basis. I'm guessing this will stop from 1st June!
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Post by stapler on May 7, 2015 13:55:26 GMT
Anyone know when the booking offices/machines at the new LO stations will cease issuing tickets on NR stock?
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Post by ashlar on May 7, 2015 19:11:32 GMT
There are also "changes to service" posters in the GA stations. The only change to the Chinforg services is the withdrawal of the mystery non-stop 2333 train and replacement with a stopper.
I will miss that anomalous non-stop train!
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Post by ashlar on May 7, 2015 19:12:36 GMT
Anyone know when the booking offices/machines at the new LO stations will cease issuing tickets on NR stock? Never I hope! Don't the LO stations sell NR tickets? Surely they must!
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Post by crusty54 on May 7, 2015 19:56:08 GMT
Anyone know when the booking offices/machines at the new LO stations will cease issuing tickets on NR stock? Never I hope! Don't the LO stations sell NR tickets? Surely they must! Stock is the card they are printed on, not the destination.
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Post by bicbasher on May 7, 2015 21:21:11 GMT
Anyone know when the booking offices/machines at the new LO stations will cease issuing tickets on NR stock? When Forest Hill changed from Southern to LOROL, it didn't happen overnight that the stock changed to the green TfL roundel in the middle. I'd be more concerned as to when the ticket offices are Oyster enabled.
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Post by rincew1nd on May 7, 2015 21:21:54 GMT
AIUI at the moment LO is a National Rail TOC, so surely they issue National Rail stock? I would have thought that the "new" operator would also be a National Rail operator and thus issue tickets on National Rail Stock in accordance with the Rail Settlement Plan.
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Post by bicbasher on May 7, 2015 21:34:47 GMT
AIUI at the moment LO is a National Rail TOC, so surely they issue National Rail stock? I would have thought that the "new" operator would also be a National Rail operator and thus issue tickets on National Rail Stock in accordance with the Rail Settlement Plan. LOROL (and LUL stations north of Queens Park, along with Gunnersbury and Kew Gardens) issue NR stock with a green TfL roundel in the middle.
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Post by Dom K on May 10, 2015 9:45:55 GMT
On a Victoria line train today with new stickers over the Last 4 stations, Seven Sisters to Walthamstow Central with Overground stops. Slightly premature!
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Post by jukes on May 10, 2015 20:22:14 GMT
Yes they started stickering the car line diagrams about 7 days ago.
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Post by jukes on May 10, 2015 20:26:01 GMT
Yes they started stickering the car line diagrams about 7 days ago. In fact follow this link - hope it works! /photo/1
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Post by stapler on May 10, 2015 21:04:44 GMT
Are not singles within London, day travelcards and 7-day tickets all issued on Oyster only at LO stations? (thus preventing the use of LO tickets for the Days Out 2 for 1 offers)? Or have I got this wrong?
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Post by peterc on May 10, 2015 21:22:41 GMT
IIRC of those three only 7 day travelcards are issued on Oyster.
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