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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 13, 2015 0:24:49 GMT
If you want some extra capacity in London you're welcome to have a Pacer or two.
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 13, 2015 0:54:58 GMT
If you want some extra capacity in London you're welcome to have a Pacer or two. Excellent. These are the ideal trains for lightly used services which are mostly in the open air that are socially necessary but cannot justify the cost of a full length brand new train. Just a shame that they are diesel when the ideal uses would be over electrified lines. 1) Olympia shuttle, weekdays. 2) Watford (Met) to Rickmansworth (bay platform) after the main service is diverted to Watford Junction. Simon
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 1:03:18 GMT
Hmmmm. Not sure whether Kensington (Olympia) to High Street Kensington is really "mostly in the open air" these days. I honestly don't know whether that would present enough of a problem. I suspect it would, though.
The Olympia shuttle won't run on weekdays with a pacer for the same reason it don't run on weekdays with a D78 and won't run with an S7. Not enough custom + Earl's Court can't handle it.
I suspect the signalling around Watford Junction would need some serious work before it could handle a shuttle service.
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Post by bassmike on Jun 13, 2015 10:53:00 GMT
Not to mention the screeching and squealing on fairly short radius points etc:
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 13, 2015 16:34:44 GMT
If you want some extra capacity in London you're welcome to have a Pacer or two. Just a shame that they are diesel when the ideal uses would be over electrified lines. This has already been thought of, you will need - Wire Coat hanger
- Broom handle
and hey presto: The Electo-Pacer!
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Post by bicbasher on Jun 13, 2015 17:16:20 GMT
I've every confidence LOROL will get it right eventually, as they did with NLL and later E/SLL. Just a great pity the start has been so bad... I would not be surprised if there was not sabotage, in terms of purposefully leaving trains in a shoddy state, to try and ruin the image of the Concession system by a vested interest of the Franchise system. You could see Abellio slowly letting the trains and stations deteriorate. There were similar issues when Thameslink replaced FCC.
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Post by domh245 on Jun 13, 2015 19:48:49 GMT
It's not a case of wanting to dirty the other operator's name, but more a case of wanting to not spend money unnecessarily.
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 13, 2015 20:30:33 GMT
Only problem for those blaming Abellio for the state of the trains moved to TfL is that they are still maintained by Bombardier and owned by Eversholt.
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 13, 2015 23:54:50 GMT
Hmmmm. Not sure whether Kensington (Olympia) to High Street Kensington is really "mostly in the open air" these days. I honestly don't know whether that would present enough of a problem. I suspect it would, though. The Olympia shuttle won't run on weekdays with a pacer for the same reason it don't run on weekdays with a D78 and won't run with an S7. Not enough custom + Earl's Court can't handle it. I suspect the signalling around Watford Junction would need some serious work before it could handle a shuttle service. I was not thinking of Watford Junction. I was thinking of the present day Watford Metropolitan Line station which TfL want to sacrifice, even though its in a densely populated residential area. I suggested Rickmansworth as the other terminus because it has a bay platform (albeit disused). In many ways all that would be needed would be a shuttle to Croxley, but the trains would need to reverse direction of travel without delaying other trains. The other possibility (which would not require brand new track) could be Northwood and to use the siding. As for the Olympia shuttle, something I learnt when the Olympia service was withdrawn in favour of the Overground service was that if train crews changed at West Brompton and West Kensington and if these stations were also used as timing points (in all cases instead of Earls Court) then by trains spending less time occupying the platforms this would increase capacity at Earls Court. My data source for this was a newspaper letter by a LU official explaining why there is insufficient capacity at Earls Court. Simon
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 0:01:35 GMT
Forgive me, by Watford Junction, I meant the Watford Triangle. I meant the complex of LU junctions: Watford South Junction, Watford East Junction & Watford North Junction. Together, these are often simply called "Watford Junction" - though perhaps my use of the term here was unhelpful.
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Post by crusty54 on Jun 14, 2015 4:38:47 GMT
There may well be a service from the real Watford Junction to Amersham.
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Post by Rich32 on Jun 14, 2015 5:27:00 GMT
**Cough** Thread drift **cough** I do believe we are discussing the West Anglia lines here
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Post by ashlar on Jun 15, 2015 8:16:29 GMT
This is a good point, and TfL Twitter sessions have made factually incorrect statements before, but I can see no other way of interpreting this tweet: short of building a whole new set of staircases behind the current LU gateline. Of course, this Tweet may just be wrong, but other forum members (e.g. Jukes in the other thread) have implied that they have heard the same from insiders at TfL. Cage removal now (almost!) confirmed www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/13331277.Unpopular_station__cage__to_be_removed/:Condition is that they have to successfully move tube gateline into tunnel, but they are going to try and do this during August shutdown.
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Post by sawb on Jun 15, 2015 14:18:16 GMT
How are they going to do it with the station still open, and probably busier than normal because of the blockade at Walthamstow?
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Post by peterc on Jun 15, 2015 14:50:29 GMT
Presumably access to Platform 1 will only be from Station Approach and Platform 2 only from Selbourne Road.
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Post by stapler on Jun 15, 2015 18:33:03 GMT
They should never have got rid (in the 70s) of the unique double channel footbridge!
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Post by ashlar on Jun 15, 2015 20:12:43 GMT
Presumably access to Platform 1 will only be from Station Approach and Platform 2 only from Selbourne Road. That's right. The tunnel will be closed to the public while the blockade continues. It might actually make it easier for the workers accessing the tunnel if the gateline is removed!
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Post by ashlar on Jun 15, 2015 20:13:10 GMT
They should never have got rid (in the 70s) of the unique double channel footbridge! What was this?!
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Post by stapler on Jun 16, 2015 7:24:25 GMT
They should never have got rid (in the 70s) of the unique double channel footbridge! What was this?! It was an iron footbridge, double width, boarded along the centre internally. The inner corridor, facing LOndon, joined the two Chingford Line platforms, the outer the two station approaches. This latter, though fully maintained, was not in use after ww2. It was kept after the Vic Line opened in 1968 as LT used to gate off their subway when their trains ceased; the Chingford line ran longer hours.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 11:18:39 GMT
While passing through Walthamstow Central yesterday I saw someone measuring with a laser measurer around the ticket machines in the subway.
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Post by blackhorsesteve on Jun 16, 2015 12:13:42 GMT
It was an iron footbridge, double width, boarded along the centre internally. The inner corridor, facing LOndon, joined the two Chingford Line platforms, the outer the two station approaches. This latter, though fully maintained, was not in use after ww2. It was kept after the Vic Line opened in 1968 as LT used to gate off their subway when their trains ceased; the Chingford line ran longer hours. It can be seen in a few pictures on www.walthamstowhistory.com/hoe.htm
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Post by stapler on Jun 16, 2015 15:17:56 GMT
Nice picture of the diesel shunter and PW train in 1958. But the caption is wrong. The FB survived for the best part of another decade after 1968; Chris Pond in his Walthamstow and Chingford Railway (1982) says that it was closed and demolished after the mid-70s following discovery of structural faults.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 16, 2015 16:25:12 GMT
Given the absence of track at the near platform, the LMS-design class 11 shunter appears to be on track relaying work. Possibly in preparation for electrification, if the date is correct?
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Post by stapler on Jun 17, 2015 16:38:43 GMT
Yes. And totems. Might even be 1957, when bullhead track was replaced and (I think) the alignment lowered to clear some bridges.
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Post by Antje on Jun 17, 2015 17:32:24 GMT
Side note: the ‘promotional’ logos on 315 817 have been removed.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 17, 2015 18:08:21 GMT
It was an iron footbridge, double width, boarded along the centre internally. The inner corridor, facing LOndon, joined the two Chingford Line platforms, the outer the two station approaches. This latter, though fully maintained, was not in use after ww2. It was kept after the Vic Line opened in 1968 as LT used to gate off their subway when their trains ceased; the Chingford line ran longer hours. Sounds very similar to Birchwood: The bridge has a full-height central barrier keeping people using the footpath across the line separate from those who are using the station.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 17, 2015 20:23:22 GMT
And the former situation at Reading, where the western side of the footbridge was for station passengers, while the eastern side provided unpaid access to the car park (or was it vice versa?).
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Post by stapler on Jun 17, 2015 21:27:01 GMT
Similarly, at the next station to Hoe St, St James St, there was a double-channel subway, one channel to join Brunner Rd and Courtenay Place, in the subsidiary (country end) entrances built about 1890. This was more complicated in that there was a Passimeter booking office which provided a join between the two. But the booking clerks never bothered to bolt the gates. The old GER seemed to favour these complicated arrangements...
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Post by spsmiler on Jun 17, 2015 23:22:18 GMT
The footbridge at Kensington Olympia was recently converted to this format, as part of a scheme to install ticket gates here.
Simon
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Post by westville13 on Jun 18, 2015 23:25:50 GMT
And I believe there is a similar arrangement in Sutton station to give access to an office building.
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