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Post by melikepie on Jul 13, 2012 22:15:13 GMT
After seeing a poster on the Olympics, I was just wondering. Are horses (and any other large animal for that matter) allowed on the London Underground or DLR? What animals are allowed?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 0:26:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 0:45:22 GMT
From reading the conditions of carriage, it seems that you can take a horse on the underground (they are not specifically banned) so long as it's "inoffensive" so long as you carry it through ticket gates / on an escalator.
If you try it, can I come and watch?
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Post by grahamhewett on Jul 14, 2012 8:51:34 GMT
In the same vein, I once had to review the loading charges at the London Docks and was shown the 1910 list of tariffs (a nicely printed book), which distinguished between large and small elephants - should have made for some interesting dockside arguments...
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BTW, you could have hired their largest floating crane for only 25 guineas a day - a snip.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 15:46:48 GMT
From reading the conditions of carriage, it seems that you can take a horse on the underground (they are not specifically banned) so long as it's "inoffensive" so long as you carry it through ticket gates / on an escalator. If you try it, can I come and watch? Indeed, horses aren't banned, as long as you can "carry it through the automatic ticket gates or on a moving escaltor" (COC 14.2) and you can keep it under control on a lead or in a suitable container (COC 14.1). As a horse box will count as luggage it can be no more than 2m in length (COC 12.1.3). Shetland pony? |
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Post by Ben on Jul 14, 2012 21:17:12 GMT
Would a horse in practice actually need to be carried on an escalator; its shoes would surely protect its hoofs afterall?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 22:40:04 GMT
Or just use stations with lifts
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 14, 2012 23:46:08 GMT
Would a horse in practice actually need to be carried on an escalator; its shoes would surely protect its hoofs afterall? Depends on the size of the horse, I suppose. I can imagine a big shire stallion going down the travelator at Bank, likewise I can just about imagine a small Shetland pony being carried up the escalator at Angel. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 14, 2012 23:49:28 GMT
I have once when Guarding a train reported to the Line Controller (mrfs42) that my train was delayed due to Shetland Ponies on the line.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 15, 2012 0:00:55 GMT
I have once when Guarding a train reported to the Line Controller (mrfs42) that my train was delayed due to Shetland Ponies on the line. So you did. Didn't I tell you to shoo them off with your umbrella? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 6:04:35 GMT
Would a horse in practice actually need to be carried on an escalator; its shoes would surely protect its hoofs afterall? In practice a horse or any other animal too big to be carried and therefore too big for the owner to control would not be allowed onto the railway. The shoes might damage the escalator so it would definitely need to be carried. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 15, 2012 7:32:41 GMT
I sense a new sign coming on: "Horses must be carried".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 7:36:18 GMT
And cows, sheep, pigs, goats, llamas, ostriches, kangeroos....
You couldn’t ride the horse either, Section 15 of the byelaws says that “Any person who enters or is on any part of the railway to which the public have access must be on foot”.
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 15, 2012 7:42:19 GMT
I now have a vision of an Underground train pulling into a station, doors open and one car is grass inside with a small flock of sheep grazing. One sheep stops, looks up at you, goes 'baa', doors close and train departs; leaving the confused viewer just stood befuzzled on the platform.
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Post by phillw48 on Jul 15, 2012 10:00:47 GMT
I'm quite sure the RSPCA would have something to say on the matter. You will also have to carry a big poop scooper with you as well.   |
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Post by metrailway on Jul 15, 2012 10:47:42 GMT
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Post by 100andthirty on Jul 15, 2012 11:39:28 GMT
Best thread in a long time - quite surreal! Can we have more please?
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Post by geriatrix on Jul 15, 2012 12:21:34 GMT
And cows, sheep, pigs, goats, llamas, ostriches, kangeroos.... You couldn’t ride the horse either, Section 15 of the byelaws says that “Any person who enters or is on any part of the railway to which the public have access must be on foot”. That can't be right surely, what about wheelchair users, babies in pushchairs etc. ? |
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Post by miff on Jul 15, 2012 13:19:09 GMT
I sense a new sign coming on: "Horses must be carried". ... or folded. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 13:42:31 GMT
And cows, sheep, pigs, goats, llamas, ostriches, kangeroos.... You couldn’t ride the horse either, Section 15 of the byelaws says that “Any person who enters or is on any part of the railway to which the public have access must be on foot”. That can't be right surely, what about wheelchair users, babies in pushchairs etc. ? The Bylaws go on to say No person shall be in breach of Byelaw 15(1) for properly using a baby carriage or wheelchair, except where there is a notice or instructions given by the Operator or an authorised person to the contrary. |
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Post by geriatrix on Jul 15, 2012 14:23:14 GMT
oh, OK. Sorry thought that was Section 15 quoted in entirity. Must make the bylaws my bedtime reading, sometime........but probably not tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 14:58:10 GMT
If you are reading the Railway Bylaws in bed then you are in serious trouble.
My advice to you is to start drinking heavily. Better listen to me, I’m a pre-med.
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 15, 2012 15:56:06 GMT
There was an incident on the east end of the Central Line many years ago, where a train was taken out of service after a complaint from a passenger concerning horse droppings on the floor. After extensive enquiries, it transpired that a passenger joined the train with a donkey and that said donkey became nervous and left a deposit as a result. I'm not sure which station they got off but it was somewhere like Theydon Bois. The ticket collector, when asked what he did when a man with a donkey arrived at the barrier, replied that he couldn't decide what excess fare to charge him, so he let him go. Apparently the man had collected the donkey in payment for a debt. |
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 15, 2012 16:22:09 GMT
I can see another sign, "Please clean up after your horse"
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Post by gantshill on Jul 15, 2012 17:28:50 GMT
I now have a vision of an Underground train pulling into a station, doors open and one car is grass inside with a small flock of sheep grazing. One sheep stops, looks up at you, goes 'baa', doors close and train departs; leaving the confused viewer just stood befuzzled on the platform. Wouldn't a passenger need to have the Freedom of the City of London to be allowed to bring a sheep with them on the underground? |
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Post by melikepie on Jul 16, 2012 12:57:55 GMT
I wonder if anyone is seriously strong enough to carry a horse or large animal - I know I wouldn't be!
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Post by grahamhewett on Jul 16, 2012 15:47:05 GMT
There was the case in pre-WW1 Germany, where a circus (probably for a stunt) took a young elephant on the Wuppertal monorail; the elephant leapt out and fell in the river. In the same vein, former BR colleague remembered having to accompany the collection of a an elephant from Heathrow and take it to Euston to be loaded; BR used a standard cattle lorry, with open, slatted sides, and animal spent the entire trip putting its trunk out of the vehicle and slapping passing cars - my colleague spent the entire time trying to lean out of the cab and restrain it...
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Post by tubeprune on Jul 16, 2012 17:28:44 GMT
I wonder if anyone is seriously strong enough to carry a horse or large animal - I know I wouldn't be! No, you couldn't. Horses are very heavy, especially when they stand on your foot. *Ouch!* |
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Post by melikepie on Jul 16, 2012 20:18:06 GMT
This might help, although I don't think it would fit on escalators (maybe in a lift shaft if they removed the lift!)
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Post by londonstuff on Jul 16, 2012 22:56:02 GMT
This is the very poster   |
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