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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 15:27:26 GMT
Are there any 72TS trains with no middle cab?
On my regular Bakerloo commute (all of three stops), I generally get on the train at the tail end of the third car, immediately ahead of the inner cab. One morning a week or so ago there was no cab there, and it didn't look like the train was simply the wrong way around. (I didn't manage to get a good look along the length of the train, to play hunt-the-cab.) Did I get a train that had cabs only at either end?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 16:01:08 GMT
Yes - unit 3299 - 4299 - 4399 - 3399
3399 is an UNDM in the middle facing an UNDM from a 3-car unit.
This unit was made up from cars involved in collisions at Harrow and Piccadilly.
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Post by Ben on Oct 27, 2011 17:11:05 GMT
Are there any plans to standardise it now theres spare DMs going from the Vic line?
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Post by metman on Oct 27, 2011 17:30:51 GMT
Could happen. Certainly if there is another collision and cars are damaged. The most precious cars in the 1972 fleet are the UNDM because there are no spare cars left. I'd like to see an extra 72 stock train formed with 3399 placed the correct way round!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 18:25:25 GMT
Unlikely to happen in the current financial climate, but you can never say never ....
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Post by astock5000 on Oct 27, 2011 22:41:45 GMT
Could happen. Certainly if there is another collision and cars are damaged. The most precious cars in the 1972 fleet are the UNDM because there are no spare cars left. I'd like to see an extra 72 stock train formed with 3399 placed the correct way round! If an extra train was ever needed on the Bakerloo, I think it would be more likely that a 3-car with two DMs would be formed as that way unit 3299 wouldn't need to be taken out of service for car 3399 to be swapped with a DM. I have read that the trains run with the 'D' end at the north end to avoid having to shunt units using the controls in the other UNDMs, but if it was thought that it would be better to replace 3399 with a DM they could have used one from a 67TS unit, or even a 72 Mk1 DM from the Northern, so I don't think it really matters whether there are DMs or UNDMs at the inner ends of units. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 28, 2011 6:57:22 GMT
If an extra train was ever needed on the Bakerloo, I think it would be more likely that a 3-car with two DMs would be formed Would that work? Is there anything essential in an UNDM that isn't in a DM? (I seem to recall that the oily bits of an UNDM are equivalent to a DM+T. ) Do the UNDMs have compressors? |
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Post by Ben on Oct 28, 2011 9:15:50 GMT
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 28, 2011 22:50:43 GMT
So it would, but with only one compressor in the 3 car unit (see, I was wrong, the UNDM doesn't have one) there would be no point in having one with two cabs - it couldn't run on its own anyway. So the extra cab is just wasted space, which in an UNDM could be used by passengers. The extra door each side is useful too
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 13:39:41 GMT
Aha...
I got it again yesterday morning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 15:49:14 GMT
Is there a middle cab on any Central line services? I'm sure I saw one the other day.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 4, 2011 17:29:01 GMT
Is there a middle cab on any Central line services? I'm sure I saw one the other day. Yes, there are occasionally. |
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Post by metman on Nov 4, 2011 17:30:31 GMT
Yes there are a few trains running with middle cabs which have had bits removed over time. There is a recent thread on the Central Line section.
I certainly wouldn't want to have two middle cabs end on as there is a large gap without any doors.
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Post by Ben on Nov 4, 2011 20:51:02 GMT
This could lead nicely into a discussion about door layouts past and present, and pros/cons...
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Post by maxym on Nov 21, 2011 20:56:38 GMT
Is there a middle cab on any Central line services? I'm sure I saw one the other day. One running today. Set no 113. |
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