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Post by rsdworker on Sept 26, 2011 1:37:59 GMT
last year or this year i visited the king cross - and we found lift to Northern line but lift has three stops but buttons show -1 and -3 only the floor indcatior showed -2 when its passed by the doors on level -2
- 1 Ticket hall
-2 unknown area - lift passed down but i saw lights from window
-3 Northern line platforms
i was unsure why this lift has -2 level but my theory that LU could build a new interchange tunnel to Piccaly and Victoria lines the current arrangement is wheelchairs have to touch out and touch in between gates for interchange from Northern line to other lines means extra fare for single trip - only free interchange is between picclay and victoria line i wished that main ticket hall has step free to circle line (eastern end) allowing step free interchange without passing through barriers any suggestions to this strange lift level -2 cause i think its for staff area not sure or future tunnel to interchange? thanks
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Post by Chris M on Sept 26, 2011 10:42:02 GMT
While I am not 100% sure, I would be surprised if touching out and back in at different gatelines at Kings Cross as part of an interchange on a single journey resulted in two fares being charged. The system copes perfectly well with similar situations elsewhere where it charges only one fare (OSIs, Monument-Bank at street level, W&C at Waterloo, H&C-District at Paddington, etc). Also, if able-bodied passengers got a free interchange but mobilty-impaired passengers had to pay then I think the Disabily Discrimination Act would have something to say. It isn't very clear though when making an interchange like this that the price you see on the barrier on exiting your second leg is the cost for the whole journey, not the second leg, as you already got shown the price the first leg would cost if it were your whole journey when you complicated that. It might be more intuitive to show the additional cost (if any) at the end of the second leg, but this might lead people familiar with the current situation to think they're being charged less than they are.
(i.e. if your journey is A-B [OSI] C-D, and A-B costs £3 and A-D costs £3.50, you currently see £3 on the barrier display as you exit at B and £3.50 at D, leading some people to think their journey cost £6.50. If they changed it as above then you would see £3 exiting at B and £0.50 exiting at D, but this may make people think that A-D cost 50p, who wouldn't be happy to have been charged £3 more than they were expecting.)
I don't know therefore what the answer is. (and sorry for digressing from your main question, which unfortunately I can't answer)
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Post by suncloud on Sept 26, 2011 15:43:55 GMT
It may be that -2 is a staff area, and a key or some other method is required for the lift to stop there...
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 26, 2011 16:23:03 GMT
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Post by rsdworker on Sept 26, 2011 16:44:42 GMT
odd the lift G goes to -2 and -3 but lift indictor said -1 as ticket hall - that's bizzare but i will look when i come back to london
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Post by v52gc on Sept 26, 2011 19:45:37 GMT
WHERE has lift B GONE!!!!!!?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 20:09:58 GMT
I would be very surprised if such an interchange got charged as two journeys. The system recognises the need to touch out then in again to change to or from the Met / H&C platforms at Kings Cross (and I think it did in the days of gates operated by card tickets.)
I recently did a journey Waterloo - Paddington (was seeing someone off on a main line train west) then Paddington - Kings Cross, Oyster treated this as a single journey, which I wasn't expecting.
It's by no means uncommon (e.g. in shops) for lifts to have a non-public level that they can stop at, which requires a key to activate the relevant button, so I'd go with "suncloud" on this.
Lift B could be a non public lift, or one that has been taken out of use / not yet been brought into use.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 21:00:53 GMT
The lifts on LU are programmed to go to either a place of either relative safety or absolute safety if the fire control panel goes into evacuation mode. A place of absolute safety would be at street level and the place of relative safety would be a fire rated refuge.
These refuges are often achieved by a set of smoke doors that swing closed. Occasionally, and I'm not sure about the layout at Kings Cross but if there is insufficient room to install these smoke doors and therefore a room is used instead.
It is possible that level -2 is a refuge and the lift would go to this level in an evacuation.
I'll find out for you if this level has this use.
Regarding the gateline, the KX gatelines have an OSI set up between them so nobody should be charged extra going from one gateline to another and I seem to recall on this forum a few moons ago somebody being incorrectly charged as they exited one gateline, met somebody at KX mainline and then re-joined the tube through a different gateline and Oyster did not recognise the touch out/in as the end/ start of the journey but as an interchange.
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Post by rsdworker on Sept 26, 2011 22:55:04 GMT
stig - other year or so i saw northern line had fire escape at Middle of Plaftorms - around halfway between two ends - i saw inside there was other lift but its signage marked as Emergency exit with wheelchair symbol on it - i think there lift B in there but i am not sure why lift B isn't on layout
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