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Post by memorex on Mar 31, 2011 21:53:49 GMT
Hi all, wondering if someone could help me with a quick request.
I'm looking for a list of reversing points on the Metropolitan line - as in, all possible, including off the platform, (e.g. Moorgate), reversing sidings, (e.g. Amersham), but also Main Line Shunts, (e.g. Platform 6 at Baker Street for an A stock?)
Can't seem to find a list of them on the internet obviously, and couldn't see anything on the LUL intranet either - the junction diagrams show the points but not the locations of the shunt signals / limit of shunt boards.
Thanks in advance all.
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Post by metman on Mar 31, 2011 22:47:44 GMT
There was something a while ago but from memory...
Amersham
Chalfont (N-S mainline shunt, S-N from plat 2)
Rickmansworth (either platform reverse)
Croxley (run empty to/from Watford roads)
Northwood (N-S from platform) (S-N either siding or mainline shunt)
Hillingdon (run empty to/from Uxbridge sidings)
Ruislip (W-E via siding & mainline shunt?)
Rayners Lane (W-E from platform or reversing siding)
Harrow-on-the-Hill (Reversing siding N-S, N-S via Rayners Lane empty, S-N via platform 2, S-N to Uxbridge from plats 5 or 6, S-N via platform 5 - reversing siding - platform 4)
Wembley Park (N-S or S-N via Depot)
Finchley Road (S-N via Swiss Cottage crossover)
Baker Street (S-N via plats 1,2 & 4 OR N-S via plat 2, plat 3 via shunt move to north of station, W-E from plat 6 (ECS)
Kings Cross (W-E via X-over and E-W via mainline shunt)
Farringdon (W-E mainline shunt)
Moorgate (E-W from platforms 1-4, W-E mainline shunt)
Aldgate plats 2 & 3 or (1 ECS)
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Post by v52gc on Mar 31, 2011 23:48:44 GMT
You can add Ickenham East to West, mainline shunt east of station but with coloured light signaling!
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Post by v52gc on Mar 31, 2011 23:51:07 GMT
Not on the Met but the East to West mainline shunt at South Harrow is long enough for an 8car A stock in case one gets lost that way...
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Post by memorex on Apr 1, 2011 0:06:33 GMT
Thanks for those metman!
v52gc ta for both of those, wasn't aware for either!
I know that C Stocks can reverse Liverpool Street East to West off the platform - is it possible for a Met to reverse there via a main line shunt?
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Post by metman on Apr 1, 2011 6:36:59 GMT
C stock can and does reverse at both Liverpool Street and Farringdon. I would assume an A stock can reverse via a mainline shunt but not in service. The train would be too long to be in service if at 8 cars, so you're probably looking at a W-E only.
Didn't know about Ickenham!
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Post by ruislip on Apr 1, 2011 6:54:27 GMT
You can add Ickenham East to West, mainline shunt east of station but with coloured light signaling! How close is that to where WB's would enter Ruislip siding? |
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Post by ruislip on Apr 1, 2011 6:56:11 GMT
There was something a while ago but from memory... Ruislip (W-E via siding & mainline shunt?) Wasn't there a time before the siding opened where WB's could use their platform to reverse and become EB's? |
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Post by v52gc on Apr 1, 2011 10:28:16 GMT
The Ickenham east to west mainline shunt uses ruislip sidings' crossover. The one trains leaving the siding use to access the Eastbound. Westbound trains can also go into the siding there by a shunt move, coloured light move putting them on the Westbound main.
At Ruislip ruislip is right, using the old goods yard crossover a train could depart Eastbound off the Westbound platform.
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Post by Ben on Apr 1, 2011 13:03:48 GMT
... and long ago there was a crossover under Wend End Road bridge aswell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 15:08:44 GMT
There was something a while ago but from memory... Amersham Chalfont (N-S mainline shunt, S-N from plat 2) Rickmansworth (either platform reverse) Croxley (run empty to/from Watford roads) Northwood (N-S from platform) (S-N either siding or mainline shunt) Hillingdon (run empty to/from Uxbridge sidings) Ruislip (W-E via siding & mainline shunt?) Rayners Lane (W-E from platform or reversing siding) Harrow-on-the-Hill (Reversing siding N-S, N-S via Rayners Lane empty, S-N via platform 2, S-N to Uxbridge from plats 5 or 6, S-N via platform 5 - reversing siding - platform 4) Wembley Park (N-S or S-N via Depot) Finchley Road (S-N via Swiss Cottage crossover) Baker Street (S-N via plats 1,2 & 4 OR N-S via plat 2, plat 3 via shunt move to north of station, W-E from plat 6 (ECS) Kings Cross (W-E via X-over and E-W via mainline shunt) Farringdon (W-E mainline shunt) Moorgate (E-W from platforms 1-4, W-E mainline shunt) Aldgate plats 2 & 3 or (1 ECS) Why does the train have to run ECS if reversing via platform 1 at Aldgate? |
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Post by ruislip on Apr 1, 2011 15:27:54 GMT
... and long ago there was a crossover under Wend End Road bridge aswell. Don't you mean West End Road? |
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Post by metman on Apr 1, 2011 15:41:51 GMT
There was something a while ago but from memory... Amersham Chalfont (N-S mainline shunt, S-N from plat 2) Rickmansworth (either platform reverse) Croxley (run empty to/from Watford roads) Northwood (N-S from platform) (S-N either siding or mainline shunt) Hillingdon (run empty to/from Uxbridge sidings) Ruislip (W-E via siding & mainline shunt?) Rayners Lane (W-E from platform or reversing siding) Harrow-on-the-Hill (Reversing siding N-S, N-S via Rayners Lane empty, S-N via platform 2, S-N to Uxbridge from plats 5 or 6, S-N via platform 5 - reversing siding - platform 4) Wembley Park (N-S or S-N via Depot) Finchley Road (S-N via Swiss Cottage crossover) Baker Street (S-N via plats 1,2 & 4 OR N-S via plat 2, plat 3 via shunt move to north of station, W-E from plat 6 (ECS) Kings Cross (W-E via X-over and E-W via mainline shunt) Farringdon (W-E mainline shunt) Moorgate (E-W from platforms 1-4, W-E mainline shunt) Aldgate plats 2 & 3 or (1 ECS) Why does the train have to run ECS if reversing via platform 1 at Aldgate? Because the platform is not long enough for 8 cars of A stock. |
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Post by setttt on Apr 1, 2011 16:33:18 GMT
Why does the train have to run ECS if reversing via platform 1 at Aldgate? Because the platform is not long enough for 8 cars of A stock. Indeed, however if it is necessary to reverse an A Stock there at short notice (ie after it has already left Liverpool St), then passengers may be carried in. There is a well rehearsed procedure to cater for this à la Baker 6. |
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Post by citysig on Apr 1, 2011 19:55:47 GMT
You can add Ickenham East to West, mainline shunt east of station but with coloured light signaling! You had me scratching my head there for a minute, but your later explanation reveals it is one of the "mainline shunts" referred to by metman at Ruislip. As the signals are coded for the Ruislip IMR and Ickenham doesn't have an IMR, the moves are classed as being "at Ruislip" even though they are probably closer to Ickenham. Liverpool Street east-west reversal would be with the train detrained and moved forward around 2 cars past the station starter. Couple of others to add to the list - emergency moves only: Aldgate, from signal OB4 on the westbound just after leaving Aldgate, which would allow a train to run back to the platform / a different platform at Aldgate. Liverpool Street from the westbound via a shunt signal to Liverpool Street platform - though again the train would have to move forward as above to clear the pointwork. |
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Post by v52gc on Apr 2, 2011 0:03:09 GMT
Just to clarify, the moves for around Ruislip are:
-West to East from Ruislip station via the siding OOS.
-East to West from Ickenham station via main line shunt (can be in service).
The latter is definitely very rarely used if ever!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2011 7:47:10 GMT
Unless I'm reading it wrong, but the Platform 3 move (S-N) at Baker Street involves a shunt move to the south of the station, not the North.
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2011 8:46:46 GMT
Sorry I'm thinking pre rebuild. Yes only south of the station now!
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