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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 9:55:33 GMT
Anybody know how many of the 09 Stock are in regular service at the moment? When are they scheduled to have entirley displaced the 67 stock? I read somewhere on TFl's website that they were supposed be introducing one every two weeks now. But that may have been marketing spiel as opposed to an actual schedule.
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 2, 2010 12:36:56 GMT
I read that there were at least 5 in service over a month ago (trains 3 - 7), so there should be one or two more by now. I think the last 67TS should run sometime next year. Has train 2 gone back to Derby yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 12:47:11 GMT
Trains 3 to 9 have all been in service now (usually at least 4 or 5 of these out each day in service, with some being used for training purposes, maintenance, modifications or instrumented for testing - varies on a day to day basis based on needs). Train 10 with a bit of luck might go out tonight. T11 has been delivered and is being commissioned.
1 every 2 weeks is the aspiration, but not quite being met yet (prob about 3 wks between 10 and 11). Sure it will be a little later in the build.
Train 2 is back in Derby.
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Post by 100andthirty on Jul 2, 2010 21:50:15 GMT
Aim is for all 2009TS in daily service by late spring 2011, with completion of deliveries a month or two later
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Post by superteacher on Jul 3, 2010 19:08:20 GMT
Aim is for all 2009TS in daily service by late spring 2011, with completion of deliveries a month or two later Are you sure? I was told it was going to be early 2012. There are currently 9 trains on the line (2009 stock). Assuming late Spring 2011 means May 2011, that would give 10 months between now and then, therefore 40 weeks. This would only allow 20 trains to be delivered, if the "one train every 2 weeks" thing is followed. 29 trains of 2009 stock would not be anywhere near enough to run the whole Victoria Line service.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 3, 2010 19:58:32 GMT
TfL said a new train would be either delivered or in service every two weeks from early January and it was not followed! I still do not think a train is being put into service every two weeks from not being able to catch one for ages!
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Post by superteacher on Jul 3, 2010 20:04:35 GMT
TfL said a new train would be either delivered or in service every two weeks from early January and it was not followed! I still do not think a train is being put into service every two weeks from not being able to catch one for ages! That's because the most they have run at any one time is about 4, in the peaks. That leaves around 34 1967 stock running, so it's still unlikely that you'll catch one unless you're prepared to hang around!
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 3, 2010 21:08:09 GMT
Well I was at Victoria for 45 minutes one day. However I think that was a Saturday
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Post by superteacher on Jul 3, 2010 21:42:07 GMT
Well I was at Victoria for 45 minutes one day. However I think that was a Saturday There are usually 1 or 2 out on a Saturday on set numbers 271 and 272, but they don't always operate for the whole day, and they often change the units around. Some Saturdays there haven't been any 2009 stock running, although that will change shortly as with every 2009 stock delivered, one 1967 stock has to go, and there won't be enought 67 stock to run the whole service. That is already the case in the peak hours, so unless they cancel booked workings, 2009 stock will be in service.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 11:49:18 GMT
Well I was at Victoria for 45 minutes one day. However I think that was a Saturday Only for the past two weekend have any 09 Stock been out at the weekend (and then its only been 1 or 2). There were 5 in the peak this morning.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2010 15:04:50 GMT
Well I was at Victoria for 45 minutes one day. However I think that was a Saturday If you really want to catch one, pick a station where the northbound and southbound platforms are close and you can stand in a spot where you can see both platforms. There is a connecting passenger tunnel at many stations. That way you double your chances of seeing one, worked for me...
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jul 5, 2010 19:13:38 GMT
If you really want to catch one, pick a station where the northbound and southbound platforms are close and you can stand in a spot where you can see both platforms. quote] Kings Cross is probably best, as it's about the middle of the line so even if you've just missed the only one, it will be back in about half an hour, whichever direction it went.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 5, 2010 22:05:38 GMT
superteacher - I remember when I caught the 2009 stock last year it was running as 272. This time at Victoria a 1967 stock was working as train 272, so that's when I just left.
maurits - I considered doing that at Victoria but decided that since Victoria was not far in distance from Brixton, I may as well wait on the northbound platform.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 6, 2010 17:29:16 GMT
superteacher - I remember when I caught the 2009 stock last year it was running as 272. This time at Victoria a 1967 stock was working as train 272, so that's when I just left. maurits - I considered doing that at Victoria but decided that since Victoria was not far in distance from Brixton, I may as well wait on the northbound platform. Sometimes they run for only part of the day on 271 and 272, and then get changed to a 1967 stock, and sometimes changed back again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2010 22:37:43 GMT
I have Bern on 09ts everyday this week this evening I saw 67ts with cameras attached to the front and wires through the 1st 4 cars what does it mean?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2010 22:56:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2010 8:46:24 GMT
Thanx man!
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Post by ghostofjk on Jul 15, 2010 20:15:38 GMT
Here's a question: at King's Cross at about 5:15 today I saw two 09TS in succession heading southbound while I was waiting for a northbound train. Are they run close together in service deliberately? Or was it plain coincidence? And/or is it a reflection of increasing numbers of 09TS in service? Just curious!
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Post by plasmid on Jul 16, 2010 8:47:30 GMT
One would guess that there now isn't enough 67ts to run a full service in peak.
When they say they are introducing a train every 2 weeks they mean they are taking delivery of one and not putting it in service.
The reason you are seeing more 09ts is because there isn't enough 67ts to run during peak times and from what I've heard around this forum they do appear to run in succession, whether if that is true of false I don't know.
Put it this way...each time a 67ts heads off to the scrapyard is each time they (have to) put another 09ts in service.
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Post by SE13 on Jul 16, 2010 9:01:52 GMT
I imagine that it's quite random.
The system works similarly to buses, on which I base this. At booking on time, you are issued with your run sheet which details where you should be and at what time. It also states a running number and each of those numbers corresponds to a specific vehicle predetermined before traffic, and dependant on what is available and where it is in relation to getting it into service.
In theory, you can do the same duty two days running, but it doesn't follow that you'll have the same vehicle(s) two days running.
There are only three essential things on a run sheet; Paid time, meal break and booking off time. ;D
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Post by Colin on Jul 16, 2010 16:13:34 GMT
On page 1 of this very thread, set numbers 271 and 272 are mentioned a few times - that suggests to me that it's quite deliberate to run two together....
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Post by ghostofjk on Jul 16, 2010 20:14:43 GMT
Thanks for the replies, very informative!
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Post by superteacher on Jul 16, 2010 23:38:56 GMT
On page 1 of this very thread, set numbers 271 and 272 are mentioned a few times - that suggests to me that it's quite deliberate to run two together.... But 271 and 272 are not timetabled to run consecutively - the Vic doesn't have self contained set numbers which run consecutively. In fact, in the off peak, 271 and 272 run exacrly one hour apart.
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Post by Colin on Jul 17, 2010 9:11:32 GMT
Never worked on the Vic or seen their timetable so I stand corrected.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 17, 2010 10:22:36 GMT
I rode on the stock twice yesterday. Bit different than last time. I think I saw 6 trains in service.
Regarding the 'This is a Victoria line train to..' announcement comes 15 seconds after the main station announcement, and generally comes after the train has already left the station.
It wasn't that warm in the train but when I was standing up I could feel some air being forced in to the train.
People have really started to take notice of the 'Doors will open on the right/left hand side'
Yes the volume of the announcement really needs to increase, especially since the ride between Kings Cross and Seven Sisters is ever so loud!
Again, I still like the trains.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 19:44:26 GMT
I view units 11023+11024 (train 12) today heading south at 18:15 from Oxford Circus, working train 271.
Trains 241 was 11009+11010.
Has 11021+11022 (train 11) entered service yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2010 9:13:54 GMT
I view units 11023+11024 (train 12) today heading south at 18:15 from Oxford Circus, working train 271. Trains 241 was 11009+11010. Has 11021+11022 (train 11) entered service yet? Mark Believe it was in on 13/07 for the first service run of T11.
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Post by PGtrips on Jul 26, 2010 13:35:04 GMT
On page 1 of this very thread, set numbers 271 and 272 are mentioned a few times - that suggests to me that it's quite deliberate to run two together.... But 271 and 272 are not timetabled to run consecutively - the Vic doesn't have self contained set numbers which run consecutively. In fact, in the off peak, 271 and 272 run exacrly one hour apart. Could it be that they are running 09s consecutively to mitigate against problems if one of them fails and requires a pushout? What is the situation if a 67 has to push out an 09 or vice versa? Presumably, the couplings are not compatible?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 14:56:04 GMT
Well I've seen pictures of an 09ts with a Wedgelock coupler on and I've also seen pictures with an 09 with a Schafenberg coupler on. Which are they using?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 14:58:06 GMT
Couplings are fully compatible with 67 Stock. Some additional features for assisting gather will be bolted to the 09 Stock couplers once 67 Stock are gone (to ease coupling on tight curves).
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