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Post by t697 on Jan 27, 2010 19:31:05 GMT
'S' stock will have automatic Selective Door Opening (SDO) which is an automated version of End Doors Cut Out. This will leave certain doors in various combinations closed at short platforms. So thinking back to 30+ years ago, any of you know:
1. Did they cut out doors at GPS, Euston Square or Barbican on 'A' stock before they were One Person Operated?
2. When the District line ran 8 car 'R' stock in the peaks, which stations needed end doors cut out and which doors? I imagine Temple and Ealing Common must have needed EDCO, but were there others?
3. Did the Driver cut out the front ones and the Guard the rear ones or was there through control of both ends' Cut Out by one or other of the crew?
Anything else of interest on the topic...
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Post by t697 on Jan 28, 2010 19:02:23 GMT
Another thought:
With no Public Address and no DVA on the trains in those days, how did they tell passengers about doors that wouldn't open at any particular station?
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Post by metman on Jan 28, 2010 19:15:52 GMT
1. I would guess that most trains fitted in the platforms as the A stock were the longest trains in service. The T stock were long too, and the guard operated from the rear drivers cab, so I would guess the driver ended up in tunnel! This wasn't a problem as the guard gave the starting signal.
2.Don't know
3.Think the guard did it all.
4?. Doubt anyone was told. Just the usual panic when 'your' doors don't open and then run to the nearest!
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Post by jswallow on Jan 28, 2010 19:17:45 GMT
It was only one set of doors that would be cut out in the front or last car.
A regular passenger wouldn't make the same mistake twice, someone else who encountered it would have had the brain to use another door, and in those days if someone was carried past their stop they wouldn't think of suing LUL. They'd have just missed their stop, dealt with it and returned by the next train in the other direction.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 28, 2010 20:45:40 GMT
R Stock Guards panels had: 'nearest doors cut-out' and 'end doors cut-out' switches. Which would prevent any doors, except the Guards , on that car from opening.
Drivers cabs also had 'end door cut-out' switches, keeping the very front pair closed.
In 7-car days it was West Kensington EB, Gloucester Road WB where they were used.
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Post by metman on Jan 28, 2010 20:57:48 GMT
So passengers had to leave the car through the single guards door then?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 28, 2010 22:57:17 GMT
So passengers had to leave the car through the single guards door then? In 7-car days there wouldn't be the need for that (unless the driver stopped VERY short!) I'm sure the provision was for 8-car days mentioned earlier. (it was also a handy way of keeping the last car to yourself!!) |
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 29, 2010 7:08:48 GMT
The end door cut out was controlled on the last car by the guard and on the leading car by the driver. There were certain stations where it was necessary but it was always manual. The 8-car trains on the District had to cut out end or both doors at certain stations but the platforms were gradually extended with station rebuilds over the years and when thye went to 7-car formations about 1972(? without looking it up) it wasn't necessary any more. Tube stock had them too.
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Post by metman on Jan 29, 2010 8:24:39 GMT
Was thinking about the tube stock. There are some stations on the city branch were it is very tight. The 1995 stock even has to have doors cut out at Moorgate and maybe Old street I think. It much have been terrible when the 1959 stock was working.
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Post by londonboy on Jan 29, 2010 12:46:33 GMT
Was thinking about the tube stock. There are some stations on the city branch were it is very tight. The 1995 stock even has to have doors cut out at Moorgate and maybe Old street I think. It much have been terrible when the 1959 stock was working. First set of doors cut out at Moorgate on the Southbound none are cut out at Old Street in either direction. |
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Post by Ben on Jan 29, 2010 16:23:05 GMT
Whether it was better or worse with the 1959 stock is probably subjective. There are a few stations where the 95 tube stock cuts out doors because of limited clearance on the platforms; one of the claphams and a platform at Camden. I don't know whether these were the same under 59ts rule, but either way with a guard 35' from them it surely would have improved safety at such stations and reduced a need to use SDO.
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